November 19, 2007

Empty Quad



The eyesore structure, intended for a Fire Safety demonstration but eventually used for a Coming Out Week "closet," was finally removed this morning.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

hank goodness. That thing was an eyesore. I wish whoever organizes that wouldn't place that awful house so publicly. It's an awful interruption of our beautiful quad for tour groups who don't understand its significance.

Anonymous said...

finally... maybe they'll fix the quad doors sometime soon.

Anonymous said...

Yeah I agree with you guys. This sort of house highlights the worst of Vassar. Imagine the impression a tour gets: broken down stairs and a whole building devoted to coming out. Sucks.

Anonymous said...

it was meant to be burned down for fire safety week originally (to show how quickly a fire spreads), and using it for coming out week was a secondary thing. i don't know why it was never burned, but after it had been 'the closet' it would've been strange to burn it down.

Anonymous said...

coming out day... just what vassar needs in the center of the quad. glad its gone. hopefully they won't have this next year or ever again.

Anonymous said...

wait, i don't understand... what's so bad about a coming out box? isn't that a good thing...?

Anonymous said...

it's a good thing if that's the image of our school that we want front and center in our freakin' quad. for like a month. qcvc or whoever organized that should do that sort of activity in a private location, like blegen. i agree with 4:08 and 4:36.

Anonymous said...

why should they have to be private about it?? what's so embarassing or shameful about coming out, or having that be our image? wow, what a horrible thing that Vassar is accepting of those from the gltb community.

Anonymous said...

glad that thing is FNLY gone. like we need to be reminded of that fringe part of campus life whenever we walk out of our door.

Anonymous said...

you all sound like homophobes.

Anonymous said...

campus life at vassar is not all about sexual orientation. the sooner we ditch our rep of being sexually confused awkward late bloomers the better. no one should have to feel uncomfortable bc they're gay but they shouldn't make the rest of us feel weird my making us look at their broken down house for weeks and weeks and weeks.

and is there a reason we haven't had fire safety training?? they should put that house to good use. my fellow lathrop residents seem pretty unprepared for dealing with a fire.

Anonymous said...

whats the POINT of coming out in a private location?

you all do sound like homophobes.

Anonymous said...

highlights the worse of vassar? coming out week is the worst? wow. that is just sad. what is wrong about coming out? the acceptance of the gltb community is part of why i wanted to come to vassar. and im straight. and now im just damn disappointed with all of this.

Anonymous said...

some of these posters have a point. let's not flaunt sexuality. i can't think of any other school i visited last year that advertised its gay population so much.

Anonymous said...

i mean gay people should be able to do what they want at our school, but as a jewett resident, its weird to walk out and be forced to stare at their building, like the poster a few posts above said.

Anonymous said...

this is weird.

Anonymous said...

i think the building/closet was fine. it may have been an eyesore, but to some people on campus it was something important. coming out shouldnt be hidden or secretive, it should make people feel confident and accepted. and the majority of the comments here do not make people feel that way. i am straight, but i think the amount of publicity about our gay community here is great, and necessary. it is necessary to hopefully educate people like those on this thread...

Anonymous said...

without being homophobic, what's blegen for? if that stuff comes on our campus, then why give them the house too?

Anonymous said...

Maybe they're trying to educate people and make them aware of gay issues. We can't be so closed minded!

Anonymous said...

you should be forced to stare at their building, so you can realize that what they're doing is trying to promote acceptance. is it hurting you? no, it's an outlet for those who need it. YES, let's flaunt our sexuality, let's be proud of the fact that our campus promotes the gltb community.

here's a question: if the box promoted race pride, or was an outlet for those with depression, would you be calling it an eyesore, the "Worst of Vassar" why can we promote those proudly, publicly, but not sexuality?

I agree with 7:26, this is really disappointing to see from a campus i THOUGHT was so accepting. It was part of the reason I came here, and it is truly, truly disturbing.

Anonymous said...

no, campus life isn't all about sexual orientation. but since when does putting a box in the quad signify that's ALL we're about?

Anonymous said...

"Yeah I agree with you guys. This sort of house highlights the worst of Vassar. Imagine the impression a tour gets: broken down stairs and a whole building devoted to coming out. Sucks."

I hope you're entirely joking. The campus doesn't belong to prospective students--it belongs to us! Besides, Admissions is probably bludgeoning the tour groups with wonderful statistics.

I hardly think that the house highlights the worst of Vassar, and if you're worried about what kids (or their parents) who don't go here think, then whatevs. Why are you trying to shelter them?

Anonymous said...

to whoever didn't like the box there: did the box make you uncomfortable?
GOOD. because that's how people learn - by being put in uncomfortable situations.

Anonymous said...

seriously, this is shocking. you people really thought it was that embarassing and disgusting? get the fuck over yourselves, and deal with the fact that gltb EXIST.

Anonymous said...

"i mean gay people should be able to do what they want at our school, but as a jewett resident, its weird to walk out and be forced to stare at their building, like the poster a few posts above said."

at "their" building -- as in "their" building on "our" space? wtf?

Anonymous said...

Why are people on THIS campus so homophobic? Seriously, guys? "An eyesore"? Whoever sent this submission into Mads actually called it an eyesore. Would you call the ALANA board in Main an eyesore? Don't you guys think it's a similar situation?

Anonymous said...

This dialogue is really revealing the need for events just like Coming Out Day.

Anonymous said...

I think the above posters must have been more upset about the length of time that the box was out there rather than the box itself. I can only hope. Perhaps that in conjunction with the unfinished quad steps are making quad residents react to unpleasantness in their backyard so to speak. But that's no excuse for intolerance or ignorance.

Anonymous said...

yes, it WAS an eyesore. it was intended for a presentation on fire safety. so calling it an 'eyesore' is not homophobic.

Anonymous said...

Also doesn't the house symbolize the closet AKA the social oppression? Therefore, the house is a bad/ugly thing, no?

Anonymous said...

people should shut the fuck up. it was never a gay box. it wasn't "their" box. it's not like all gay members of this campus had something to do with the box. this is just absurd that groups on this campus that are trying to provide a safe space for students are being stigmatized by students who care more about their stupid view than the comfort and opinions of their peers.

Alex Rodabaugh said...

It was not built for fire safety and anyone who says it was should speak with those in ACT OUT.

Anonymous said...

Calm down. It was an ugly box, that lost all its meaning when GCVC or ACTOUT took out all the the things that tied a purpose to the box.

Everyone was fine with it while it was there for coming out week, but that was the SECOND week in October. It became an eyesore, without a purpose and that was what was so frustrating.

It represents the worst of campus because it shows the inability for the college do do something in a timely manner.

Anonymous said...

This structure was constructed for a fire safety demo, which it was supposed to be used for sometime following coming out week - I'm not sure why they left it there for so long and didn't use it for the demo, and yeah, the box was ugly. Since it was there, QCVC and Act Out! decided to turn the box into a closet for National Coming Out Week (read: 5 days), to raise awareness about coming out and closetedness. Despite what you may think, there is homophobia at Vassar, as I believe many of the above posts illustrate. There are also, believe it or not, closeted people at vassar. I have several friends who were closeted until at least their sophomore year, meaning they knew perfectly well they were gay, but told no one and dated women throughout their freshman year because they felt uncomfortable being "out."

The closet had dual purposes: a) to raise awareness that vassar is not a happy gay wonderland where everyone is accepting and everyone feels comfortable with who they are. And b) to create a public space where people could share stories, thoughts, and reactions, and perhaps consider their own coming out or the fact that perhaps their roommate or friend may be closeted and struggling with coming out.

Those of us who most need exposure to "the closet" are not the ones who would take a trip to Blegen to check it out - that's why it was in such a highly visible location.

Shouldn't we want to send the message to prospective students that Vassar is a welcoming environment? Just because glbt people are visible on campus does not mean that vassar is "over-run" with the gays or whatever shit uptight parents might be concerned about. Do we really want people who would be turned off by acceptance at our school?

(a friend directed me towards this discussion, so I just wanted to clarify)
-Julia Golomb (act out prez)

Anonymous said...

This thread is disgusting and embarrassing. I agree with 9:21, the fact that everyone is so uncomfortable with the box signifies the need for it to be shoved in their god damn faces.

Anonymous said...

12:05 is completely right. There's nothing wrong with a subgroup expressing themselves. They just can't leave their shit outside in a public area for more than a month. Coming Out Week is just a week, even if the lessons should last beyond. I wouldn't expect my pals in the ALANA center to decorate the College Center for black history month in February and not clean up until May.

Anonymous said...

the college built it and left it there; act out simply used it for a week and then cleaned up after themselves. It was the college that continued to leave it there.

Anonymous said...

While I understand people complaining about ACT OUT for how long it was out there (although now I guess it looks like it wasn't even them), some of these comments are directed at homosexuality itself. I stayed in the closet all through high school and was exited to come to Vassar where nobody gave a shit about your sexual preference. These comments really sadden me. Who the fuck cares if the image for Vassar is a glbt friendly school? Who the fuck cares if prospective students know it? If a prospie is turned away from the school because they found out *gasp* Vassar College supports people regardless of sexual orientation then great! There are a surprising amount of people here who are already prejudice towards homosexuality as evident by my personal experience and these comments. If you seriously think that Vassar is COMPLETELY open-minded, and something such as a closet symbolizing openness is not needed then talk to a queer vassar student. If I have one more guy get that fucking creepy smirk on his face when I mention that I'm a lesbian then I am going to scream. More openness and information about glbt issues is just what Vassar needs... and, yep, in a public and open space.

To the person who thinks that anything queer related should be hidden in Blegen, you are an idiot. First of all, on the shallower note, Blegen is not in a location where people just drop by. There are quite a few queer students who have never dropped by, waaaay less in the straight crowd. Second, in the more important note, what... the... fuck...? Should we throw all those fags and dykes in there too so that we don't have to see them? YEAH! Them and their homosexual views should be PRIVATE not out here in the open!

Seriously Vassar, I'm ashamed.

Anonymous said...

I agree. Gays should be able to express themselves wherever they like, just like other students. They pay the same money to go here.

Zack Miller '10 said...

"I agree. Gays should be able to express themselves wherever they like, just like other students. They pay the same money to go here."

This "us" and "them" mentality is pretty confusing and childish. The post I quoted is one of the more harmless ones, but it still demonstrates the backwards viewpoint that a lot of my fellow breeders share in which glbt are an abnormal section of the populace. As long as people (hetero and glbt alike) continue to equate heterosexuality with normalcy, there will continue to be glbt who don't feel safe to share their sexuality with others. As long as this is true, and as long as straight people are weirded out by being forced to acknowledge diverse sexualities, we should have that closet up year round.

Anonymous said...

You homophobic fucks disgust me.

Anonymous said...

people should get laid more often... whoever with whomever... and be peace and love. and w33d should be cheaper.

Anonymous said...

weed should be cheaper.

Luis Gabriel Trujillo said...

Hey yall,

I am the President of Main House and I am writing because this issue was brought to my attention by the office of residential life and by other fellow students who are, rightfully so, appalled by some of the posts on this thread.
As a gay student on this campus (and a very visual one too), I have to agree with what is (thankfully) the great majority of posts that condemn some of the initial comments and point out that
1: Homophobia exists at Vassar (Duh!)
2: The permanence of the box in the quad was not Act Out's fault, but rather that of the college's incompetence.
I think this is very clear and is not worth my time and effort restating, given that my brilliant peers have already appropriately articulated it above.
However, I do want to address a couple of posts that have been particularly disturbing for me.
To the tools that wrote 4:36, 5:31 and 7:46: As a former admissions tour guide who was told by the office to stop wearing so much pink so that parent's wouldn't automatically assume I'm gay and therefore discourage their dumb-ass kid (who probably doesn't have the scores anyway) to apply to our school and therefore increase our applicant pool and reduce our acceptance rate, I think you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You want to talk about the image of Vassar we (and by that I mean the Admissions Office for who I shamefully admit I once worked for) are exporting? Then let's discuss how members of admissions asked me to only mention the ALANA center on my tours if there were minorities in the group, to avoid talking about Blegen unless I was asked about it and to emphasize the fact that I was part of the Squash team, even though I never actually played. If you are worried about what an office that reassembles more a vapid publicity agency than an educational institution is doing to further Vassar's image, don't waste your time, they are doing a FANTASTIC job at showing us off as a straight, white, campus. Also, your posts clearly reveal your status as ignorant freshmen who are still getting over the fact that all Ivy League schools rejected you and that the only reason your white privileged straight homophobic self is here is because mommy and daddy make more than 300.000 dollars a year. Well, from someone who chose Vassar over 5 Ivies BECAUSE OF ITS ACCEPTING ENVIRONMENT (yes, I would b SHOT at any other school for wearing bright pink Victoria's Secret panties at a party like Scantily Clad), I ask you to get your facts straight before you make a bigoted comment, and, if possible, T R A N S F E R!! If you don't like that Vassar is accepting of gay people, then go somewhere else. Finally, I want to point out that I never received A SINGLE complaint about my tours from the people in them, even though I stayed true to myself and never followed admissions recommendations. This shows that Vassar is respected as an AMAZING institution of higher education PRECISELY because of its accepting environment and academic prowess (contested by your stupid posts), and that if a kid decides not to come here because I gesticulated too much during my tour or because it saw a coming out box in the quad, then THANK GOD (yes, I do believe in God, and Jesus, even though I'm gay!)!

As I said before, these posts were obviously written by freshmen who need to be educated. Hating on them will not make them realize the mistake they are in(and yes, this is a partial acknowledgment that my previous, highly charged paragraph, was a little harsh). I encourage you to take a queer theory course, women's studies, critical race theory, or just TALK TO ME!- It won't kill you (or make you gay), I promise :).

Keep the love flowing,

Besos y abrazos,

Luis Trujillo.

PS. Man up and sign your comments, that way I can hug you for being amazing, smart individuals who aren't threatened by my sexuality, or (also) hug you, to show you that homosexuality is not like AIDS: Its not contagious and it won't kill you (at least not at Vassar) AND that HATE SUCKS!

Anonymous said...

Dear President of Main

Though I agree with your argument, you shouldn't generalize people to "all being rejected by ivies" and "ignorant freshmen." There are always going to be these introverted people everywhere in our society, but the important thing is that Vassar stands for what it is, irregardless of what the rest of society stereotypes it as.