April 26, 2008

What Do You Think About...

What do you think about Don Marsala's email from this morning? We found this one particularly disturbing.

"The students were approached by two males near the rear of Jewett House and after a brief conversation, one of the males punched one of the students in the neck. One of the males then struck one of the students in the arm with what appeared to be a crowbar."

This may be controversial to write, but...

Are we compromising our safety but attempting to "integrate" with the community? The fence by the North Lot (where this incident occurred) was recently removed. Yes this could have happened with the fence there, but the lack of any kind of barrier certainly doesn't help the situation. At the same time, maybe our poor relationship with the community is because of our lack of integration. It's certainly a complicated issue.

Mads is all for making Vassar a greater part of the local community, but safety is most important.

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Good job Vassar. Taking down the fence was a BRILLIANT idea. Will you pay my hospital bills when sketchy townies wander onto campus and beat the shit out of me?

Anonymous said...

The fence was taken down because the entire north side of campus is going to be redone. You think they cut all the trees down because they wanted to integrate with the community? Sheesh!

Anonymous said...

They also took down the the fence to integrate us in fact that was their main goal as far as I have heard. The people who were assaulted would probably have not been protected by the fence any way because people come in and out without any trouble all the time. It is the few members within the community that do these things that make it difficult to embrace the whole group. I personally feel that there should be security posted in the outposts near the entrances so that the campus is more protected and people would be deferred from coming in and assaulting members of our community.

Anonymous said...

Definitely right about having security posted and actually doing their job. Like, why is there an empty booth over near the tennis courts by where the fence was?

There's so many ways people can just get on campus and stay around as long as they'd like.

Anonymous said...

anyone know who was assaulted?

Anonymous said...

According to the 2007 FBI Uniform Crime Report, the town of Poughkeepsie, where Vassar is located, was tied for having the lowest crime rate for towns in the 40,000 to 60,000 range. It may not have McMansions or a Starbucks on every corner, but it is basically a suburb. I would say that we are as safe as possible here, and the fences could not have done anything to protect the campus from the types of isolated individuals who are willing to go so far as to assault students with a crowbar.

Anonymous said...

9:04 - There has been a sharp rise in reported incidents this year, though. Something has changed. I don't know if it's on Vassar's end, economic circumstances in the community, or what, but it is a cause for concern.

I especially feel targeted as a female on campus, since several of these incidents have been sexual and gendered.

Anonymous said...

there were at least 3 security officers at mr. vassar....why don't they pay more attention to security rather then making sure students don't get drunk

Anonymous said...

9:04, your statistics may be correct for the TOWN of poughkeepsie, but we are on the edge of the CITY of poughkeepsie. Trust me, I'm from around here. The town of poughkeepsie isn't bad. The city of poughkeepsie sucks.

Anonymous said...

There's also some interesting discussion of this same issue at http://community.livejournal.com/vassar/761704.html
if people want to check it out

Anonymous said...

security should spend more time patrolling the campus and making it SECURE. why is there never anyone in the security outposts. i feel like this stuff could be avoided if the school actually put some effort into keeping the campus safe

Anonymous said...

the booths are for campus patrol, i believe, so they have places to warm up in the winter.

my problem is that there are signs that say 'Vassar Campus is closed from 10 pm to 6 am for anyone who isn't a student or guest' and they do nothing to enforce this (unless you're trying to get into the mug, or something.)

Anonymous said...

computers stolen, students assaulted, to hell with this integration with this village. why do we even want to be associated with it???

Anonymous said...

I agree with the previous commenter. why do we want to be associated with a town of hoodlums and criminals? they have some stuff to offer, but not very much. we really don't need community integration at vassar, we just need big tall brick walls. we have very little to gain from opening up our resources, which should be exclusive to us.

Anonymous said...

what about the fact that people are letting their dealers into their dorm. i saw two in main (they were DEF NOT students) and some random guy in noyes.

should we be held somewhat accountable, too?

(i do agree with the comments about the detrimental effect of the fence being taken down, too)

Anonymous said...

what does the community have that we don't? nothing. what can opening our campus to the sketchy inhabitants give us? nothing. this isn't like the u.s. mexico border. all we need is a huge fence and about 5 security guards to patrol and keep strangers off our campus. we pay to be here, local yocals don't.

Anonymous said...

Security doesn't do much to keep our campus safe (obviously), they don't do a damn thing about keeping our property safe (several people, myself included, have had their bikes stolen by townies. My lock was cut.) And yet they're always on patrol to bust parties. I'd much rather be paying for actual security and safety on campus then babysitters who make sure you're not having "too much fun."

You're called "Vassar Security" not "Vassar Babysitters"

Anonymous said...

1:58: Are you TRYING to make people angry? This is an interesting debate, and there's no point to be purposefully inflammatory.

Anonymous said...

This negative attitude toward the town is the reason why the town folks hate us and retaliate against us.

Anonymous said...

Vassar should make a greater effort to buy up buildings around the campus so that there's a sort of automatic barrier of properties between the townies and the students.

Anonymous said...

Yo the dudes who are beating people with weapons are not retaliating for vassar's economic strains on the area.

1- people on this campus should not be fucking beaten with weapons, and vassar security would be a pretty good place to start.

2- that is the most fucked up thing i've ever heard to say that if you dont go to vassar and you live around here, you have nothing to offer. first of all - lets be pretty clear - that is some racist, classist, elitist shit right there.

you my friend are the reason we need to do more community integration.

i think we gotta realize motherfuckers who are gonna attack students are not the community we are talking about when we say community. we arent having a debate about whether or not criminals who are gonna beat up kids should be allowed on campus. no one is on the pro-murder side of a debate. that's just some bullshit right there.

i think security does need to do more work; i also think they are probably just telling us more and more about when this shit goes down now that fran isn't the president, and we can start acknowledging the not happy shit that happens here cause lord knows theres plenty of it. but also don't make this into a debate about community. what does it mean if you consider anyone you see here who isnt a vassar student a dangerous criminal?

Anonymous said...

what's fran not being president anymore got to do with it?

Anonymous said...

Vassar should do the same thing that Dutchess Community College did (right down the road from us): hire out our security to armed security people who aren't afraid of the gangs in the area.

Anonymous said...

i think this has more to do with vassar going needblind than anything

Anonymous said...

7:38 that is some fucked up shit.

Vassar lets in students from families with lower incomes and that's why there's more violent assaults happening?

What is your problem? If you only want to be around rich elitists like yourself, please leave my school.

Anonymous said...

7:38, if you're going to say stupid shit like that, why don't you have the balls to back it up.

Anonymous said...

can we kick 1:28 and 1:58 out of vassar?
they have nothing to offer us, and will never grow up.

Anonymous said...

While I agree that Vassar Security's priorities are completely fucked up (busting parties and dealing with noise complaints rather than actually keeping the campus safe), the truth is that most of the time there isn't much work for them to do. From time to time yes, shit goes down but it's not like we're living in constant fear of being mugged. Actually, maybe we are, judging from these posts. Quite frankly, I think that some of these posters deserve to be hit by a crowbar for being so elitist.

Anonymous said...

There's nothing "elitist" about wanting to be able to walk behind your dorm without getting hit with a crowbar. Every Vassar student has the right to safety. Wanting protection from the City of Poughkeepsie doesn't make me a elitist.

One time I decided to venture into Poughkeepsie. I shouldn't be scared, I thought. It's my community, I thought. I was approached my someone who didn't even know me and called a "fucking faggot."

My family pays almost $50,000 for me to receive an excellent education, and yes, be safe. That does not make me elitist.

Anonymous said...

I have walked around Poughkeepsie inebriated and at around 1 am and nothing, absolutely nothing has happened to me or my friends.

Anonymous said...

Just a comment on security... I just spent the last 20-30 minutes listening to a security guard talk loudly about his job on the hall phone that is conveniently located right by my door. Hence the reason I am still awake right now. I considered calling a noise complaint on him... but somehow I didn't think it would be effective.

Hope nobody was out there getting attacked by a crowbar while he was chatting...

Anonymous said...

and by "by a crowbar" I mean "with a crowbar," unless there are rogue violent crowbars wandering the streets of Poughkeepsie, in which case I wholeheartedly support the reinstatement of the fence.

Anonymous said...

Stop inviting the dealers

Anonymous said...

let's remember a few things here:
1. a few violent townies are not representative of everyone who lives in poughkeepsie
2.perhaps it is these classist attitudes that are fueling the anger of the poughkeepsie community (which is in turn fueling negativity toward townies - a vicious cycle that yes, integrating with the community could help break
3. perhaps exposing the poughkeepsie community members to diversity such as alternative sexual orientations etc. could help them realize that other options exist and that they should be more respectful of people, and
4. as well off privileged kids going to vassar, don't we have some sort of obligation to do everything in our power to enhance the living situations of those less fortunate inhabitants of the community around us?

Anonymous said...

the reason i came to vassar was not to help 'less fortunate inhabitants' of poughkeepsie. i came to get a college degree, some marketable skills, and some strong connections for future endeavors. everyone's bitching out 1:58, but he said one thing that's true: we're the ones paying for the education. we're paying to be safe, not to help out some townies.