October 31, 2008

Luis Inoa Speaks: Play Nice!

In an all campus-email sent earlier today, the Director of ResLife Luis Inoa expressed concern over reported instances of verbal and physical abuse against "conservative" students.

"Students have reported to have been cursed at, spat at and silenced because of personal attacks," Luis writes. "The perpetuation of this type of behavior serves as a stumbling block for students who identify with those targeted and require the rest of us to confront prejudices that exist within our community."

Political debate is one thing, but this is definitely out of hand. With only a few days left before the election, can't we all just get along?

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Omg what happened?!??!?

Anonymous said...

people were terrible to the mccain tablers, getting all hostile and yelling and swearing at them. it was pretty bad.

Anonymous said...

so much for a liberal campus...

Anonymous said...

i really wanted to stop by the mccain table and tell them that i thought it was really cool they were there, but i didn't want to accidentally come off as being sarcastic or condescending or something. this is just ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

I mean, sure its all well and good for you all to say that now, but what about the Misc NOT endorsing Obama instead? Media is basically tied to politics and thus the primary political outlet on campus has just ostracised all of the conservatives. It would be much better for everyone's ego if they just sat back down and didn't go there. Its not like the Misc is the Times, no one really cares. Therefore the only goal of that move is to attack conservative people NOT conservative ideas as is the case with endorsement via primary newspapers. I'm not a conservative, I'm not even a moderate. And as a Democrat and a Progressive I'm saying that if we continue, as a nation, in the direction we are going all we can do is continue in the polarized stalemate which has so far costed our country billions in the economic crisis alone. This is a crisis which might have been avoided if this absurd partisan polarization could be broken. If you want to participate in a debate of politics in an honorable fashion attack ideas, not people. When you make the target on the other side the people then no matter where you stand you have lost your humanity. Such as what happened with certain wars, which were supported by neither the tennants of American Conservatism or American Liberalism.

Anonymous said...

it's not always like this on campus. strong managed to have a political discussion the other night cosponsored with Amnesty, the Women's Center, and MICA that managed to be cordial, challenging, and informative.

informed discourse, please, people.

Anonymous said...

7:25, please. the new opinions editor has seen fit to put more conservative voices in the misc, even when it shouldn't have been there on the basis of journalistic ethics. how about that ludicrous article written about how mccain would've saved us from the financial crisis. you know, the one that lectured us in the beginning about how important of an issue it is, about how we MUST understand it properly... and then went on to totally misunderstand the entire mechanics of the crisis, and present information that probably wasn't found from a legit news source. sure, it was an opinions piece, but that doesn't mean you should make up facts. there's is absolutely NOTHING wrong with putting a conservative view in the paper, but you should really only do it if you can build a valuable and cohesive argument on it, and not just go on some regan-esque rant for 1000 words about the free market. see the difference?

the same thing goes for the endorsement of obama. i'll admit, in high school i didn't think john mccain was a bad politician. and i'm sure if he's elected, he really WON'T be another bush...he's likely just campaigning as one to get more of his party's support. but really, WHAT would the misc say if it endorsed john mccain? that john mccain will be a great president because he doesn't understand economics, and will make the financial crisis worse and poor people poorer. that the political campaign he's put on has been built upon petty politics and racist undertones? that he's selected a completely incompetent women, who neither understands our nation's political situation or the political process of this country? and in doing so has demonstrated his belief that the electorate is stupid, that the electorate will respond to form and not substance? that's the one thing i don't understand about mica. it is filled with intelligent people. i can see john mccain, but how do they really reconcile sarah palin?

i agree with 7:43. INFORMED discourse. i've known plenty of conservatives who've managed to really make me think about mccain, and i like that! it makes you think, and in turn makes you more informed about the candidates. but if you're going to continue to insist that the world financial crisis was orchestrated by george soros to give obama an edge, or that obama is a secret "socialist," then i think i reserve the right to call you a name.

Anonymous said...

so let me get this straight... if the campus newspaper includes a liberal piece then it's "ostracizing all the conservatives," but if it prints a conservative piece then it's "ludicrous" and misleading? can vassar students really not handle political discourse?

Anonymous said...

the misc has endorsed a presidential candidate since the
20's

Anonymous said...

12:44 - haha. the conservative pieces printed of late can hardly be said to be discourse. did you not read 10:13?

Anonymous said...

those mccain kids in the college center never hurt anyone. it really sucks that this community can't handle differing opinions.

Anonymous said...

yea that "informative" piece written on the economic crisis was based on a YOUTUBE video and Wikipedia! as much as I adore these two sites, they are not even close to be a sound basis for ANY intellectual argument, let alone meeting the standards of journalistic integrity one would expect at from a school like this...
I think MICA just wants people to know they exist (lets be honest, who actually knew what MICA was before this election? SERIOUSLY). And I don't think McCain is necessarily a bad guy either, just a BAD politician (at least right now he is anyway).
But on a completely different note, this school seems to have a serious infestation bellicose liberals who get all macho when it comes to "issues" and "causes" to the point where its just obnoxious. You sound like a republican when you do that. Chill!

Anonymous said...

i think many liberals in this school have real issues hearing a conservative point of view without calling them racist, sexist or ethno-centric. The thing about "informed discourse" as people here seem to be saying... you don't get to decide what counts as discourse.

if someone has an opinion, that's their right. and if you want to respond to them, that's you're right too. but to tell them that their position isn't even within the realm of what can be talked about because *you* think it's so ridiculous?

informed discourse doesn't just require being "informed." more than that, it requires actual "discourse." so please vassar college, next time you see a table of conservatives advocating mccain, don't call them stupid. start a conversation. next time you read something you disagree with, don't make fun of the author's journalistic standards. write a letter back and continue the conversation.

Anonymous said...

*your

Anonymous said...

where are all the pussy liberals in this thread who should be actually backing up their immature actions?

like royce drake.

Anonymous said...

he aint a liberal, he's a radical

Anonymous said...

10:13: I just wanted to point out that whenever the Misc prints an article that presents a subjective view, it's labeled as a column. It's not against journalistic ethics to publish opinions in a column.

Anonymous said...

9:34, i wasn't saying that the opinion was wrong, i was saying that the facts were wrong. read the article. the intentions of the 2005 bill in question were misrepresented, and mccain's role was seriously overplayed. and a serious misunderstanding was demonstrated by the tying of the entire crisis to fannie and freddie, suggesting it started within and stemmed from them. seriously, this is a global problem and it's been brewing for years; d'you think if mccain would've stopped fannie and freddie it would've actually made a damn of a difference?

and then there was just the incoherence of the article. first it claims that the dem's insistence on regulation caused the crisis. then it said that mccain tried to gain more oversight (read: regulation) over fannie & freddie's bookkeeping and would've thereby saved the entire financial system. then, it was tied all up by saying all regulation is bad and we should rely on the free market. what?

do i think the author was intentionally lying? no, i really don't. but do i think maybe the political bias of the editors affects the standards by which certain pieces are judged? possibly. yes or no, i do think that the people at the misc need to start editing more thoroughly - requiring legit news sources, actually CHECKING them to make sure they're right, and making sure an argument is coherent. otherwise, i don't see how it can expect to be regarded as a serious news source.

Anonymous said...

1:16, you're letting your personal view cloud your judgement. the thing about "facts," which you say the op-ed author got wrong, is that different people often believe different facts. when the newspaper itself does not believe certain views to be factual, it publishes those pieces in its opinions section. when the newspaper does believe those things to be facts, it publishes them as news.

in other words, john mccain believes strongly that fannie and freddie were to blame for the financial crisis. he says that every day on the campaign trail. does that make it a fact? not necessarily. but he, and millions of his supporters, do believe that. just because we believe something else—even if we consider our evidence to be better—does not invalidate an author's opinion, or his or her right to express it.

Anonymous said...

5:42, I also really appreciated MICA tabling all week. I thought it was great and wish there was a varied discourse on politics anyways at Vassar, even though I may or may not agree.

Anonymous said...

Actually in response to 10:13's discussion of why one of the few conservative opinions the Misc has recently published should have been silenced (an interesting choice given the article which inspired this thread), the content of the piece closely followed the argument presented by Vassar Professor Sean Flynn at the Economic Crisis teach-in. Who knows, maybe he got his information from YouTube and Wikipedia, but I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

this is why i'm trying to get the fuck out of vassar. this place sucks so much.