November 2, 2008

*Breaking News* 'Kick Coke' Resolution Passes

The first step in kicking the sale of Coca-Cola from the Vassar campus was reached moments ago at tonight's VSA Council meeting.

The Council passed the Kick Coke resolution with a vote of 14 to 8 in favor.

Now the proposal goes to Cappy and the Committee on College Life.

Check out our "sound off" on the issue from a few days ago. Students from both sides were very vocal, as the post received 51 comments.

Our poll showed a clear split between readers who are for and against the proposal. 37% (79 votes) of you said yes to kicking coke, while 50% (107) of you said no. 11% (25) of readers feel they need more information. 211 people voted in the poll.

Update: Information posted earlier about the plan to phase out Coca Cola was incorrect.

Update 2: We have to stress that this was just the first step in the campaign, and there are still decisions that need to be made. "There's no plan in place to remove Coke at this point," VSA President Jimmy Kelly '09 tells Mads. "The vote today is not the deciding factor. CCL and Cappy will decide where it goes, and no withdrawal plan is in place."

Update 3: While this is an anonymous forum, please stick to constructive feedback and use your judgment when posting comments. We have already received several complaints. Thanks!

188 comments:

Anonymous said...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous said...

wtf!

Anonymous said...

Interesting. All recent polls taken have indicated that the community opposes the kicking of coke by a significant amount (Mads, the Misc, etc.); however, it still gets kicked. Not to draw ridiculous comparisons, but just imagine if this happened on the national scene with the presidential elections.

Anonymous said...

what you mean is that the VSA endorsed the resolution to kick coke. it still needs cappy's approval etc. before it goes through.

Joe said...
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Anonymous said...

The Misc poll makes no sense if you look at the number of votes vs. percentage.

Anonymous said...

Fuck this school.

Anonymous said...

it was VERY close, btw.

Anonymous said...

Fucking Bobo's just wanna feel good about themselves supporting fucking with a corporation.


Vassar's kinda run like a corporation too, I don't see anyone pushing to change that.



2+2 = 5


fucking lemmings

Anonymous said...

How is the removal of the Coca Cola products from campus being sponsored? I really hope that the school isn't going to have to pay for the removal of the Coke vending machines and merchandise if/when the company gets kicked. This might sound insensitive to those who support the Kick Coke campaign, but I find that to be a rather unimpressive use of school resources during a time of economic crisis.

In addition, isn't the local stuff that the Kick Coke group wants the school to replace Coke with more expensive than Coca Cola products? I don't know that for sure, but would guess its the case... usually smaller, more localized products are more expensive. Anyway, once again, I really hope the school isn't planning on paying for this because that seems like a huge waste of resources as well (is kicking coke really as important as providing better pay for faculty members, for example?).

Anonymous said...

If you read the Misc article about this subject, it's clear the VSA was addressing this not as a majority issue but as an issue of ethics. Although I'm surprised and saddened at the poll results. I don't understand what's more important than not supporting companies known for human rights violations. And if you feel differently, you can always go to Stop n Shop and buy yourself Coke.

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty amazed by the overwhelming response I've seen here. Is having Coke removed from campus really going to have a negative impact on your life? Nobody's saying you can't go to Stop & Shop and stock up on all the Coke you can handle.

Also, 9:25, the comparison with a presidential election is inappropriate. It might be more fitting to draw comparisons with legislative changes that were unpopular at the time and would have been shot down if put on a national ballot like, say, Brown v. Board of Education. That doesn't mean that Coca Cola is as bad as segregation, it's just an example of why certain things aren't necessarily left up to popular decision.

Anonymous said...

LIKE THIEVES IN THE NIGHT...

Anonymous said...

well first of all, i'd take both the mads poll results and the misc poll results with a grain of salt - i would bet that the crowd who reads these sources tends to lean slightly more to the center/right than many others on this campus.

also, 5:50 - better pay for FACULTY members?! thats just great, lets send all resources straight to the top. um, what about the SEIU workers picketing for retirement and health benefits? perhaps that is where any excess funds should be going?

Anonymous said...

can you post who voted which way?

Anonymous said...

10:06, you misunderstood my point. I used the faculty members example because it was the first one that popped into my head seeing as I'm currently studying for a test tomorrow. I wasn't say "use to coke money for faculty members" per say, but was more using the example to make a general point that the money used to replace coke could be better spent on another endeavor. The SEIU workers is a better example of the point I was trying to make... thanks for bringing it up.

~ 9:50 pm

Anonymous said...

as far as I've heard - if we actually do kick coke the two companies most likely to replace coca-cola as fountain soda are Polar and Stewarts. Both delicious. Both inexpensive.

Anonymous said...

This is absolutely hilarious. Instead of making this a Coke-free campus, why can't administration make it a Smoke-Free campus? First, it couldn't be worse for your health. Thus, it is slowly, but surely killing the student body. Second, cigarette butts are everywhere on campus. Eco-friendly kids: Where is your anger and outrage when it is actually necessary and affects YOUR daily life? Third, every pack of cigarettes you buy supports a large corporation that kills thousands of people each year through the product it sells. But NOOOOOOOO, Coca-Cola is much more evil. I love hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

VSA IS CLEARLY A GROSS GROOOOOSSSSS MISREPRESENTATION OF THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY. If they can't do their fucking job right, ie be the vassar STUDENT association, then they shouldn't be allowed to do it at all. IMPEACH THE VSA

Anonymous said...

10:06 YES the readers of this blog, or at least the frequent commenters, seem to lean more to the center/right than does the general vassar campus.

i think the resolution is a good move.

Anonymous said...

10:21 - we are a smoke-free campus in that we don't sell cigarettes anywhere on campus. Vassar as an institution does not provide us with any tobacco products, just like this resolution asks that the College not provide us with any coca-cola products as well. Neither move precludes Vassar students from making personal choices about using either item.

Anonymous said...

10:22, the VSA council based its decision partly on the responses from each member's constituency. almost all of the members had a majority of their constituents respond to their request for input with support to kick coke. it wasn't based on a mads poll or the misc poll, it was based on the poll of your VSA reps. so it wasn't the VSA misrepresenting you -- it was just them representing the majority (number-wise, and in some cases it was a teeny majority) of their constituents.

Anonymous said...

To the commenters who say that the readers of mads and the misc are more center/right... that observation is not based on anything, really. what other campus-wide surveys of this issue are you comparing these two sites to? in my opinion, mads and especially the misc tend to be left-leaning.

Anonymous said...

"the readers of this blog tend to lean more to the center or the right???" (first off this isnt an issue of right center or left.)
And also where are you getting this info? This is more of the same kinds of "facts" that led to this VSA resolution. It's scary to think the VSA can so comfortably pass judgement and decide on the ethics of the entire community especially with the inconclusive evidence provided by Kick Coke.

Sean said...

no surprise here, the VSA has a long history of bending over to a few vocal 'activists' who go to council meetings and try to impose their beliefs on others.

email your council rep and tell him/her to take a step and back and grow a spine. and while you are at it, flood jimmy's email too. and not his vsa president address...his personal email (jakelly@vassar.edu). oh and cappy too.

this is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

hahahaha oh my god 2+2=5 i love it

Anonymous said...

THIS IS BULLSHIT. Why did they not have a campus wide vote, since this was obviously such a contentious issue? That's fucked up.

Those hippie assholes who pressured VSA into supporting this ill-thought-out resolution piss me off.

Anonymous said...

10:21, that's ridiculous. It's not like coke is banned on campus. You can still have coke, you just have to buy it somewhere else. And it's not like cigarettes are sold on campus...

Anonymous said...

I think this is a great move. Go VSA.

Anonymous said...

council was bullied into accepting this SHITTY resolution by a bunch of activist slime. the Student Activist Union makes me so angry. they do not speak for me. they are a bunch of communist-yes communist-assholes who think that they can impose their radical beliefs on the rest of the world.

Anonymous said...

The sad fact of the matter is even though the group of people who see this decision by the VSA as wrong (for whatever reason: not having a student council decide what is Ethically right and what is Ethically wrong for you, taking such a firm stance without substantial evidence of Coke's wrongdoing, or Coke's deliciousness) are in the majority, they will not band together like the Kick Coke organization...
I'm kind of hoping that I am wrong...

Anonymous said...

this is fucked up. absolutely fucked up. the kick coke campaign can kiss my ass. i think it's time that the anti-kick coke people developed an organized campaign. a real, cohesive group who could make our case know to cappy and the committee on college life. otherwise administrators will think that all students agree with those idiot activists.

Anonymous said...

Can anybody make a good case for why Coke should remain on campus? I've yet to hear one.
And 10:36, that is completely irrational.

Anonymous said...

ASSHOLES. WHY CAN'T VSA DO IT'S JOB??? I'm angry at my representatives, Chris Doscher (Jewett) and Joseph Martinez (Class of 2011) for not listening to my concerns. This is absolutely outrageous that a small group of wrong-headed activists can make decisions like this and influence people.

the vassar student association council lost all legitimacy tonight, in my opinion, as any sort of beacon of student voice.

Anonymous said...

Wow. The Duchess County elections board purges thousands from the polls, and this is what Vassar students get upset about? You might have to buy your own Coca-Cola products off campus? This just shows how shallow and narrow-minded some people can be.

Anonymous said...

this resolution is fucked up. it DOES NOT represent a majority of student. it represents a very vocal group of hippies.

i agree with the commenter before me. in my mind, any good will that the council had earned via the gender neutral endorsement or the undocumented students endorsement --- issues that had a clear majority of students in favor --- they just lost it all. jimmy kelly, if you're reading this, you should know that you have allowed the council to dramatically overstep the sorts of statements it should make. this resolution is so wrong for so many reasons, not the least of which is that there should have been a campus wide survey on this. not just individual council members going door to door. this is an example of democracy failed.

i only hope that president hill has the good sense to tell these self-important hipster activists to shut the hell up.

Anonymous said...

to 10:52:

Let's make a little change to what you said dearie.

Wow. The Duchess County elections board purges thousands from the polls, and this is what Vassar students get upset about? Coca-Cola is a big bad scary meanie corporation? OH NOOOOOO. This just shows how shallow and narrow-minded some people can be.

Anonymous said...

Oh please 10:52. Don't start that bull. I'm sooo shallow because I'm concerned about things that affect me. I should be more concerned with more "noble" concerns right? Well, couldnt the same could be said about the Kick Coke Crusade??? Please, you can't convince people by pompously changing the subject.

Anonymous said...

the vsa council can go fuck itself. although im sure it wasn't their fault. from what i hear, they were pressured into adopting this screwed up undemocratic document by a large group of radicals who showed up at the meeting.

Anonymous said...

both your representative e-mailed asking for your input. they voted based on what most people told them. evidently that was in favor of getting rid of coke products. don't claim that they aren't representing you when they tried to get your opinion, especially if you didn't bother to offer it.

Anonymous said...

Student activists, or whatever the fuck your names are, if you EVER wanted support for any of your stuff, you just fucked yourselves. I hope you see that.

Anonymous said...

10:36 - Kick Coke is not an extension of the Student Activist Union, it is a coalition of members from 6 different campus organizations.

and your hotheaded mccarthy-esq anger is really frightening and frankly disproportional. so you may not be able to buy coke on campus anymore. whether or not you agree with the resolution, is it worth getting SO upset over? for the most part, people mean well, and your hysterics and blind accusations are productive for no one.

Anonymous said...

10:58 (and the other nay-sayers)- a large group of radicals at the meeting convinced them? well, you could have gone to the meeting too and offered your opinion. you didnt. stop complaining you aren't heard if you didn't make an effort to be heard. it's that simple.

Anonymous said...

NO serious effort was made to get the opinions of the student population as a whole. I recieved and invitation to take part in one poll from the 2010 prez and no one else so how accurately can polls assess the situation if not everyone is being asked.

Anonymous said...

Dear SAU, Vassar Greens, MECHA, whoever else brought this insane resolution to Council,

Stay the hell out of my life. You don't have the moral high ground. You just think that because you're minorities or because your environmentalists, that you're just so fucking cool and can legislate whatever the hell you want. you make me sick.

and as for the council, i wish you guys had more of a backbone to stand up to these elitist students who don't seem to care what the majority of students think or feel.

this resolution doesn't speak for me, or anyone whom i have spoken with. this resolution makes me absolutely sick. do i care about unionized joes in third-world countries? no. deal with it, you self-important pricks.

Anonymous said...

SO 11:03 if I get a whole group of people who are upset with the VSA's decision, draft up a resolution that counter's Kick Coke's, and outnumber everyone who disagrees with me, that make it okay? You should just live with that decision? hmm Might make Right. thats a dangerous road.

Anonymous said...

11:07 was directed at the first 10:03 just to clear up any confusion.
g'night.

Anonymous said...

No serious effort was made? I got an email from my dorm president and my class president asking me to sound out and I did, because there's some fucked up shit going on. You had the same opportunity. Or you could have gone to the meeting. But you bitch online instead.

Anonymous said...

i'm just saying that the VSA listened to the voices they heard. if you didn't make an effort to share your opinion when they asked for it (like in the e-mails from representatives) you kind of forfeit your right to complain.

also, in a democracy, the majority voice wins. it sucks for those who don't agree, but that's how it works. if you got the majority of the student body to protest this measure and it was revoked, that would be totally valid and i would accept it. democracy = majority rules. so yeah, might kinda does make right in this case.

-11:03

Anonymous said...

NOW LET'S GET PEPSI!!!!

Anonymous said...

I am embarrassed by the radicals of Vassar College. Reed Dunlea and his classist/minority/environmentalist minority are trying to mold this school into some leftist bastion of marxism and economic control. they disregard democracy and instead try to force their opinions onto me. i will never, ever support them again.

Anonymous said...

THEY DIDN"T FORGO DEMOCRACY. YOUR REPRESENTATIVES ASKED FOR YOUR OPINIONS.

...that is all.

Anonymous said...

10:49

Joseph wanted to kick coke, so if your views didn't support that, don't expect him to listen. I know the man, his bias's are pretty hard to change

Anonymous said...

So MIGHT does MAKE RIGHT???
you so called liberals...

Anonymous said...

People who hate corporations because they are corporations are uninformed and idiotic.

Vassar College is a corporation.

These kick coke commies accomplished nothing except subvert the will of the majority.

Anonymous said...

I just poured a coke down the drain and threw the can on the ground

but don't be mad at me it was flat.

Coca cola sold me a flat coke. This is reason to ban them. BAN THEM NOW! THEY ARE KILLERS! They killed my refreshment with their flat beverage.

And the littering was just to be funny.

Anonymous said...

Just because my reps asked for my opinions, (which I gave them.) doesnt mean they listened to them. reps are going to do one of two things: do what they think is right or do what the loudest voice says.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys, we need to acknowledge that white people do cause all the problems in the world, rich people kill poor people, and corporations are soaked in blood. We shouldn't be obsessed with consumer choice! You shouldn't be able to choose to drink something bad! Coke is bad! Kick Coke won! YAY! Oh and don't mess with those kids you're talking about. They know everything.

Anonymous said...

11:22 - exactly. that's why we elect them to speak for us. if you don't like their decisions, that sucks, but if you truly believe they only listen to the loudest voice, you should have been louder.

i am not an ardent supporter of kick coke, but i am willing to live with the decisions of the people i elected to represent me because that's their job that i chose them to do. imperfect system, but it's what we've got and we all have to live with it. i also really don't see why people are so upset about what seems to be a fairly reasonable measure; the college does not want to support a sketchy corporation and we get to drink generic soda. not that big of a deal.

Anonymous said...

Dear Jimmy Kelly, Caitlin Ly, Marcelo, Alexandria, Nate, and Camille,

WHAT FUCKING RIGHT DO YOU HAVE? WHERE DO YOU GET THE GOD DAMN NERVE? HOW COULD YOU LISTEN TO REED FUCKING DUNLEA AND HIS ANTI-CORPORATE PROPAGANDA? HOW COULD YOU LET THOSE RADICALS INFLUENCE YOUR THINKING?

Sincerely,

A very concerned senior who is currently gathering a petition of "No Confidence" in the VSA Council. So far, 45 signatures. And it's only been about an hour.

Anonymous said...

Oh! Update, I just got three more signatures. I'm up to 48.

-11:28

Anonymous said...

11:28 - their "right" comes from the fact that they are our elected representatives. that's where they get the "god damn nerve." we voted and gave it to them.

Anonymous said...

you seem reasonable 11:28 but the Kick Coke people have lied to you. There is no hard evidence of Coke's wrongdoing. I too believe that the people you elect get to make the rules (within reason) but here they have decided something that the majority of people are against. And for good reason, Kick Coke's evidence against Coke is shaky. do some research, don't take their word or even my word for it.

~11:22

Anonymous said...

11:34 - this was a student driven movement...

Anonymous said...

the "Might Makes Right" comment is directed at the Kick Coke org. Just because they are comprised of ardent activists does not make their stance legitmate.

Anonymous said...

Wow, it only took the threat of removing a soft drink off campus to reveal such angry and hegemonic views?

Over a soft drink?



Really?


And now you're attacking environmental and minority groups over it?


And this is a liberal campus?



Yikes.

Anonymous said...

this thread makes me sick.

Anonymous said...

now i'm pretty high-strung, so this means a lot coming from me. ready? everyone CALM DOWN! it's only soda.

if you care this much, you should talk to the people in charge in a rational manner and not waste your energy whining in an anonymous online forum. might be theraputic, but it's not very productive.

Anonymous said...

I would be wary of anyone who seeks to make this an issue of race and would believe them to be falsely upset about the situation (i.e. actual Kick Coke activists) intent on changing the subject and delegitmizing those find fault with the VSA approval of the Kick Coke resolution...

Sean Koerner, Noyes Prez said...

First off - to those of you who are bashing Jimmy. He ran a fair debate, on a controversial topic - and he did not vote on the resolution. Those of you who suggest "flooding his email" ("sean," I'm looking at you) are taking an irresponsible and reprehensible approach to a problem. While I voted against the resolution, the fact is that the VSA council voted for it - and if you have serious concerns, you should form a Pro-Coke organization, research the facts, and present a logical argument as to why Coke should not be kicked.

Don't slip into bashing people or organizations because you are mad - as many have said, Kick Coke is a very vocal conglomeration. If you don't like it, DO SOMETHING. Organize. Protest. Form a new resolution. Do something that represents your view, gather student support, and bring it before the VSA if it bothers you that much. Complaining on MADS will not change anything.

Good night.

Anonymous said...

It honestly kind of disgusts me that people at this school can be so horrible, cruel, and self-centered.

Reading this is like driving past a wreck... it hurts to look, but you can't look away.

Anonymous said...

are we kicking Pepsi off campus, too? or is it deemed morally appropriate seeing as jimmy kelly worked for them and can do no wrong?

Anonymous said...

wait a minute...

caring about workers' rights makes someone an elitist?

being an environmentalist makes them a superior asshole?

sounds to me like we have some pretttty defensive consumers.

john said...

anonymous said...
anonymous said...
anonymous said...


grow a fucking backbone. this thread is out of control.

Anonymous said...

This was a horrid decision because suggests that Vassar students and staff (who btw are also affected) are incapable of MAKING THEIR OWN ETHICAL CHOICES. The people behind kick coke act like we're babies incapable of deciding for ourselves whether drinking Coke is unethical. I thought that article in the Misc "Council must consider choice in Coke decision" cast serious doubts upon both the campaign's facts as well as its reasoning. Can MadsVassar post who voted what way? I think it would be really interesting and important to see.

Anonymous said...

When I toured Vassar and went through the Retreat, I think they should have told me: see those Coke machines over there? Come next year they won't be there. Why? Gee I don't know, this student group decided they didn't like Coke because they had some reports from online and got the Vassar government to vote yes on their resolution.

Wait, what? I would have said. Didn't anyone complain?

Yes...but they were either called racist, apathetic, or spoiled and lazy, or they were shouted down. Then, they were called stupid for getting in a tizzy about soda.

Isn't it about more than soda? I would say.

Yeah. Whatever dudes. I'm checked out.

Anonymous said...

11:49

consumers get pretty defensive when you take away their choice to access products they pay for with very little or NO reason, then call them ignorant and entitled when they try to explain why they disagree with your activist resolution. they get pretty damn defensive, and you wonder why.

Anonymous said...

does anyone else find it a little suspicious that Jimmy Kelly worked for the Pepsi Bottling Group Foundation from June 2005 to August 2008...
sounds to me like...
KELLYGATE 2008 BITCHES!!!!
LET BURN THIS SUCKER DOWN!

Anonymous said...

I don't identify myself as neither a "self-important hipster activist" nor a "hippie" AND I supported kicking coke out of campus. Please stop generalizing.
And I can’t honestly believe this is all about soda. If you were so adamant about keeping coke on campus, your ass should have been at the meeting- hind sight is twenty-twenty, huh?
Again, let me reiterate, no where in this resolution does it say that Vassar will not allow people to personally consume coca cola products. Vassar just won’t support the Coca Cola Corporation by selling its products on campus- which will make Coca Cola take more notice as opposed to individuals making personal choices. Just like it doesn’t support cigarette companies by not selling cigarettes on campus.
Not having coke on campus is not that serious. You’ll live. It’s not like it’ll affect your personal lifestyle. I wish you guys would be this passionate about other issues. Geesh!

Anonymous said...

hahah at 11:27. right on.

this thread also makes me sick. where is the compassion and solidarity?? WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT COKE??

also, whoever this person is:

"11:05: Stay the hell out of my life. You don't have the moral high ground. You just think that because you're minorities or because your environmentalists, that you're just so fucking cool and can legislate whatever the hell you want. you make me sick."

you make me even sicker. may your teeth rot a thousand times over from all the coke you consume.


and for all the people saying blah blah blah, coca cola, corporation, vassar is a corporation.... you're comparing apples to hot dogs.


reading this makes me really embarrassed that i went to vassar. i honestly think that four years ago this would have passed without a problem.

Anonymous said...

most of these ridiculous kick coke people are seniors. no one has said this. thank the lord. get them out of here. KICK THE KICK COKE CAMPAIGN.

Anonymous said...

i have to say - whoever brought up the cigarette thing has the right idea. it pisses me off SO much that hipsters get all up in arms about corporations and coca-cola and everything and yet every single one of them smokes like a fucking chimney. big tobacco is way worse than coca-cola and that isn't just speculation or a sketchy argument like the entire basis of the kick coke campaign is...

Anonymous said...

Why the fuck can't Reed Dunlea stay the hell out of my life?

Anonymous said...

All of this over soda.

Get over yourselves - the alternatives are just fine. The purchasing department and Aramark confirmed that there will not be an increase in the price of soda regardless of what company we go with.

Calm down, stop making the VSA out to be a big monster, and if it still really really bothers you, email your VSA rep.

Anonymous said...

12:07 you don't get it. smoking is cool. activism and radicalism is cool. corporations are laaaaame. killin' workers and sheeeiiiiit. and other bad guy stuff man. smokin' is cool. so are hard drugs man. don't gang up on us. we're smokin, kick cokin', awesome activist dudes. yah!

Anonymous said...

apples and hotdogs...
ew.

Anonymous said...

12:04, this is not about soda. its about accusing a company committing serious ethical violations WITHOUT conclusive Proof and then restricting our availability to the product they create.

Anonymous said...

hahaha. conclusive proof? what, do you want them to deliver us a corpse of a union leader???

christ.

Anonymous said...

I think we all need to thank the Kick Coke campaign. They took away a bad meanie product from us. We can go to Stop n Shop if we want it! That makes just perfect sense. They opened our eyes....

And opening eyes is what it is all about. The world needs changing! We can do it guys!

THANK YOU KICK COKE CAMPAIGN! THANK YOU VSA FOR LISTENING! WE LOVE YOU!

Anonymous said...

NOT to mention that they all think smoking tons of weed and blowing lots of coke and shrooming and stuff is awesome. for every 4 grams of coke in the united states 1 person in latin america died. way to go hipsters, as usual putting all your energy to waste over something stupid and menial. as if aramark, kraft, pepsi, and etc etc etc etc etc aren't JUST as bad.

Anonymous said...

IMPORTANT UPDATE: I just got forwarded the Vote of No Confidence in the Vassar Student Association Council. It already has 109 names, mostly seniors, but it's slowly making it's very quickly making its way through the classes. And the meeting only ended a few hours ago.

According to the preamble, the document will be submitted to all of the Senior Officers, Campus Dining and The Misc. The document basically says that the Council disregarded the opinion of the majority of students, and has decided to adopt the agenda of a radical minority of student activists. The document further states that the administration should ignore the concerns of Kick Coke, which is a fringe group that in no way represents the opinion of most students.

Finally, the document calls for the VSA Council's resolution to be rescinded, and an apology to be written and sent to the student body.

Anonymous said...

Shut up meanies. Shut up. Coke is where we are starting. We are just trying to spread love! I love you all. Why won't you love me back? Coke is bad for you and for the world. LOVE!!!!

Erica Seigneur said...

The VSA is way out of line. By their own admission this was a decision based on ETHICS and MORALS, and the VSA is in no way in the position to make ethical and moral decisions for the student body. This is a gross abuse of power. The VSA is elected to plan parties, not force their morals on the rest of the community.

The VSA has absolutely no right to make this decision, and the fact that they believe that they do is alarming.

Whether or not you are in favor of kicking coke, we should all be alarmed by the fact that this small group of students believe they have the right to make such decisions for the rest of us, and there should be a serious discussion about impeaching the VSA.

Anonymous said...

dont belittle my point with your snooty misunderstanding of the situation. Kick Coke HAS NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT THE COCA~COLA CORPORATION WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDERING OF UNION LEADERS. They would like you to believe otherwise. you have already been fooled.

Anonymous said...

Yeah I want a union leader corpse. I will call it "Jesus" and I will hang it in my closet with all my dead hookers

Anonymous said...

wow, i just got the document too, and it's very harshly worded against the VSA Council members who voted in favor of this resolution. It even names them all, and calls them to apologize in an all-campus e-mail for supporting a "fringe group of radical activists who in no way reflect the opinion of mainstream students."

however, i intend to sign this document. the council acted extremely irresponsibly in validating the actions of the Kick Coke Campaign. This issue should have been brought to a vote; instead, they were all influenced by a bunch of loud radicals in the room with them, pressuring them into passing this unfair and undemocratic resolution.

Anonymous said...

Yes, a corpse of a union leader would be nice. Or at least a fucking real newspaper article connecting Coke to whatever activities these kids think they are doing. Or a government study. Or a picture of a fucking corpse that has been released to a reputable source who reports about it.

I can't believe we're having this discussion. You all are so ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Send that "No Confidence" document to Mads!!

Anonymous said...

12:21 don't be so mean and serious. "government"!!!! dont you know the government is owned by Coke. "newspaper"? no, we don't have time to do that kind of research.

what you are missing, is that this is about love.

Anonymous said...

If we all band together, we can circumvent the vsa council entirely. we should all sign this petition, send it to campus dining, and make sure that the true majority of students' voices are heard.

vsa council no longer represents the opinion of students. they have decided to represent their own opinions instead. fine. but then they lose their right to consider themselves our representatives.

Anonymous said...

12:07,
Please avoid generalizations. I supported the Kick Coke campaign today but never once in my life have I touched a cigarette. Don't be ridiculous in your comments. If you're pissed off, at least make a coherent response. Otherwise we get nowhere.

Anonymous said...

Also, write a letter to Cappy. I doubt she's so stupid. Make it anonymous if you must, but make it intelligent and explain why this wont fly. I think she'll listen to us.

Anonymous said...

I have not seen that Vote of No Confidence document yet but be sure to tone down the language in it. We don't want to come across as self-righteous as the Kick Coke Crusaders.

Anonymous said...

Yay. Now students will waste gas to buy Coke from the grocery store. Everything is connected. What "Kick Coke" may help in one respect will hurt in another. This problem is a lot bigger than Coke and the process by which this shit got passed sounds absolutely ridiculous. Wake up people and get off of your high horse.

Anonymous said...

10:49 if you're gonna call out specific people, you should sign your own name

Anonymous said...

shit, the petition is now 278 signatures. some of the people who have signed have even added notes at the bottom calling for the resignation of the council members who supported this unless they write a letter of apology to the student body.

this is gonna be a shit show.

Anonymous said...

Please make this Motion of No Confidence document available. It can be a powerful first step.

Anonymous said...

people should stop being so mean. this is ridiculous, and unnecessary and a little bit scary. just relax and be civil for once

Anonymous said...

Hey, if you don't think that the SAU or other activists are doing a good job on campus, then why don't you go out and get involved, instead of whining about how you have to walk across the street to get a soda. Please grow up!! Mommy and Daddy are not here to hold your hand while you throw a major temper tantrum ;( If you cannot respond in a debate with anything other than personal attacks, then there really is no place for you here at Vassar.

Good job SAU and VSA!

Anonymous said...

This is truly, truly horrifying. I am a mild supporter of the Kick Coke campaign, because there seems to be at least some evidence that they are doing terrible things, and really, what difference does Coca-Cola make in my life (or any of yours)?

But you guys are so up in arms over this. The VSA did not overstep their bounds, they did exactly what an organization like that is intended to do. And people who support the campaign are not elitist hipster radical activists, they're concerned citizens, and I don't think any of them are calling non-supporters racist or lazy. There seems to be some deep-seated, contention here that needs to be examined. And it comes out over a soft drink. This thread is seriously disturbing.

Anonymous said...

FUCK YOU SAU

vsa, thanks for not representing me. i'm talking specifically to my two representatives, Luis and Chris. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Anonymous said...

THESE COMMENTS ARE SO DISAPPOINTING AND DISHEARTENING. I hope that Cappy makes the right decision and stands up for respect for basic human rights and dignity over our choice to consume a sugary drink.

Anonymous said...

What is MORE "disturbing"? That people are upset that a student body organization has chosen to make a decisive decision concerning what is morally ethical on our behalf based on faulty logic and a lack of evidence or that people are upset about it?

Anonymous said...

It's really the principle of the thing. If a product can be kicked off of campus based purely on allegations think of all the other resolutions that could pass on this campus.

moeyoldbold said...

I'm glad that most of the people who have written comments on here have done so anonymously because if I could put a face to all of these "anonymous-es", then had to see those faces on a daily basis, I think I would have to transfer. I'm all for a healthy debate, but some of these posts are completely brash, unintelligent, and honestly a little bit frightening. I understand that you are angry, but have you stopped to consider why you are so angry? Why do you feel such a fierce loyalty to this multinational corporation? What has it ever done for you?

Anonymous said...

12:45, you have no fucking right to ask me that question. if i like coke, that's my own business. since when can you, or any other self-identified activist, tell me what to do?

honesty, i don't even drink coke. but the vsa council's total disregard for democracy on this has led me to totally reject their bullshit resolution. in my mind, that does not even come close to approximating student opinion on this subject.

Anonymous said...

I'd say the most disturbing thing is that what seems to upset Vassar students most in the world is the dwindling of their soda options.

Even if all your claims about failed democracy were valid, nobody has cared until right now.

Anonymous said...

I'd say the most disturbing thing is that what seems to upset Vassar "activists" most in the world is Columbus and Coca-Cola. Where have they been when it comes to any real issue we as a society face right now?

Anonymous said...

I don't think of myself as a strong Kick Coke supporter, in fact till very recently I was very against it, and now I was ok with it. This comments thread, however, is disturbing. Nothing terrible has been done. All of you had a chance to voice your opinions to your elected representatives who voted on this ON YOUR BEHALF. It's that simple. Why is everyone so so up in arms?

Anonymous said...

I find the sanctimony of some posters here hilarious. "I'm so sad and disturbed at the viciousness over SODA! You all are so mean."

Anonymous said...

Well sometimes it takes a blatant disregard of going about things the right way that motivates people to do be in opposition to it.

Anonymous said...

I'll just say it, and yeah i'm anonymous and deal with it. you coke drinkers ARE racist. and entitled. corporations ARE bad. and a radical minority IS going to make you drink other stuff.

deal with it. like others have said, there are worse things. like working for coke in the tropics, with no protection and being really sad all the time because you can't even drink coke. hello.

Anonymous said...

Instead of arbitrarily kicking off a product based on sketchy allegations why don't we put our efforts into more serious problems?

Anonymous said...

12:56, you haven't won this argument yet.

i just e-mailed president hill, as have three of my friends and no doubt many others tonight, to tell her that the vsa council does not represent me. she will make the call, not you, you anti-democratic activist asshole.

Anonymous said...

thank god. change can only happen one step at a time, that's why black ppl are here at vassar rite now.

Anonymous said...

it is so absurd that the people of the VSA think that they know what is best for the student body in this instance. Not only is Coke no where near as guilty, if at all, at the ridiculous allegations pointed at them by the VSA, but there are literally hundreds of other companies whose products and services we use here at vassar everyday who are so much worse than what these idiots have accused coke of doing. I mean do you want to ban Nike for having sweat shops or apple for being environmentally unsafe? NO, I didnt think so. I want to sign this document, and I want cappy to step up and stand up to this ridiculous vote by the VSA and say no to banning Coke.

Anonymous said...

I repeat (in reponse to some silly Racial comments.):
I would be wary of anyone who seeks to make this an issue of race and would believe them to be falsely upset about the situation (i.e. actual Kick Coke activists) intent on changing the subject and delegitmizing those find fault with the VSA approval of the Kick Coke resolution...

Anonymous said...

12:56, "being really sad all the time working in the tropics"? Seriously?

Anonymous said...

I just emailed Cappy, chill@vassar.edu, with a very simple statement:

"I, like so many of my peers, were shocked and outraged at the Vassar Student Association Council's vote to endorse kicking Coke products off campus. Their vote was based on totally inconclusive evidence about Coke's misbehavior. The Council in no way represents my view, on this or any other matter. Apparently, some members have become so politically motivated that they can forget the people whom they are supposedly representing. I was never told of this vote, except through articles in the Misc, and never asked for my opinion by any of my representatives. In forming your final decision on this matter, I urge you to disregard the Council's resolution. They have grossly overstepped their bounds in crafting this resolution. This year, the VSA Council does not speak for students, despite what they may claim."

Anonymous said...

I would encourage others to send an email to Cappy (like that fine citizen) expressing your distaste for how this whole debacle was handled but would urge that you use correct grammar and perhaps more eloquent language.

Rob Woodward said...

Is there any word on how one can get hold of the petition, or on any meetings about this?

And why the fuck do these people who are supposedly so concerned with helping others spend their time petitioning to kick coke for something that happened years ago to like 8 people instead of doing public service? My bet is laziness or that you can't smoke in the soup kitchen.

Anonymous said...

just e-mailed her. i tried not to curse off reed dunlea and his partisan hacks too much. hope i wasn't too forceful. is it inappropriate to say "fucked up vsa bureaucracy and failed fucking democracy" in a letter to the college prez?

Anonymous said...

To those asking why activists don't take up more "worthy" causes: They do. Perhaps some students are too awash in their own privilege to notice or care. People have protested outside the IMF/World Bank meetings, lobbied with their senators in DC, engaged in dialogue regarding the plans to move the bookstore, given so much of themselves to our surrounding community, etc.

The fact that the very prospect of removing Coca-Cola from campus has seemingly shattered our collective identity shows just how pervasive the power of marketing really is. How can we even begin to conceptualize staggering issues of globalization, human rights, corporatism or (gasp) capitalism if we aren't willing to part with a sugary beverage?

It seems that everyone on this campus is an activist until they stand to lose something they've been indoctrinated to believe they *need*.

We need to be having these discussions face-to-face rather than under the shroud of anonymity. We're all human beings and should be treated with compassion, right? Let's speak to the best in each other.

Anonymous said...

1:27, remember that plenty of people who disagree with this resolution do not drink coke. They disagree with a small organization ...blah blah you can read the other posts.

It's not the force of advertising. They don't "need" it. These aren't Coke addicts who are furious they won't be able to get their fix at ACDC. Read the vast majority of the dissent again. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Correct 1:30. anyone who wants to paint those in opposition to the this Kick Coke decision by the VSA as Coke addicts (pardon the pun)is either choosing not to see the real issue or is trying to avoid it by disregarding it.

Anonymous said...

to those who are questioning why everyone is getting so upset about this, it is not about losing soda options at the DC, it is about what the VSAs decision represents.

It represents a political culture that allows (and encourages) people to be activists solely for the sake of being activists. It represents vassar student association veering down a course of self-righteousness and political correctness that will keep anything from getting done.

I keep laughing to myself, hoping that this will make news outside of the vassar bubble. Right next to headlines declaring "worldwide economic crisis" and "another 20 soldiers die in Iraq" it would read, "vassar college students take barely substantiated stand against potentially reprehensible multinational corporation". Ha! good for Vassar!

Anonymous said...

drinking coke= racist elitist whites

calling coke drinkers racist elitist whites= activism

Elise said...

As someone who received multiple emails requesting input from her VSA representatives, I find it hard to accept the arguments of those who feel disenfranchised and claim that the VSA in supporting the resolution has gone against the majority will of the student body. We were certainly given opportunities to let the VSA know our opinions. The Kick Coke campaign took the opportunity to show up to VSA meetings. These are open to the public and if you felt that your representative hadn't contacted you, you could have gone too. People should also consider the possibility that perhaps their opinions are in the minority; if a majority of respondents told the VSA they supported Kick Coke, then the VSA was acting directly on behalf of a majority of its constituency. Just because there is a vocal outpouring of disagreement on this Mads post (which affords anonymity) or in Misc and Mads polls (which are not representative samples and could easily be skewed) does not indicate that the overall student body feels that way.

For the record, I don't have much of an opinion one way or another about the issue. I am, however, of the opinion that if you don't vote you don't get the privilege of complaining about who is elected; similarly, if you don't tell your representative your opinion (via email or in person at a meeting) then you are baseless in complaining after the fact when a resolution you don't support is approved.

Finally, the level of discourse in these comments is disheartening. The cover of anonymity is important in some dialogs because it affords minority views the chance to speak without fear of harmful retaliation, but some of you are abusing this power. Personal attacks, insults, and mudslinging do nothing but demean yourself and your argument. If you have a legitimate criticism, it can be said without name-calling or irate screaming matches.

Nadine said...

I'm wondering how many people who have posted here actually went to the VSA meeting or possess accurate information on what happened in it.
1. 14 delegates in favor to 8 against kicking coke is not a "close vote".
2. Student opinion as collected by VSA reps was clearly in favor of kicking coke (I think around 70%)

Anonymous said...

It was close considering that a resolution needs 60% in favor in order to pass, and one changed vote would have swung things the other way.

Anonymous said...

2:18, thank you so so much. i received an email from my house president (TWICE!) and one from my class president. plus, given the number of people ranting and raving on mads both on this post and the previous one concerning kick coke, i'm sure most of you knew about this resolution before it went up for a vote today, so you absolutely had the opportunity to contact your representative/go to the meeting on your own. suck it up. participate. nothing else to it.

Anonymous said...

Remember that Cappy and the Sr. Officers have the final say. So now is the time to make sure that they hear from you - directly, not through some blog comments or some non-scientific poll - voice your disapproval of Kick Coke.

This battle, as with all battles with a vocal fringe-group, is going to be won by the loudest voice, and the voice of reason needs to be loudest.

Anonymous said...

10:21- You are so right on.... but no it would have been too hard to give up butts instead. It is so much easier to kick coca cola (hurt local employees)than cigs.

Anonymous said...

I don't drink coke, I do care about employment conditions, and immigration. But I really do not like being told what to do. Educate people don't impose rhetoric.

Anonymous said...

Can't we do something positive, like sponsor a contest on independent renewable energy sources or ideas, get a corporation to back it. Put people to work in the US.

nobody likes these "anti" fights

Raymon Azcona said...

The reactions posted on this page do nothing but show true colors. I'm sure most of you claim to be liberal... And stop using an anonymous status. Why don't you embrace who you are and display a name?

Anonymous said...

And to anyone who says that most students are in favour of kicking coke because most of the responses VSA reps received were in favor of kicking coke: do you know what reporting bias is? Kick coke has been organizing this for years, they have the machinery and motivation to be very loud about it to their reps.

You cannot blame people for not emailing their reps. I do not have a lot of confidence in the VSA- they are hardly our best and brightest- and did anyone really imagine that the winners of a popularity contest would think they were empowered to make ethical decisions on the student body's behalf?

And yeah posting here is not enough, we gotta all get out and show the administration how angry we are that Jimmy Kelly et al are overstepping their bounds.

Janusz said...

Instead of bitching about all of this anonymously, why don't all of you write a damn letter to your rep on te VSA?

Raoul Duke said...

Regardless of what we think about Coke, I think that we can agree that there is nothing even remotely approaching okay about airing racist views under anonymous aliases.

Absolutely nothing.

I do not want to rush to judgment against those who anonymously aired racist views, but I am disappointed that on a campus like Vassar, which provides so many avenues for students to air their concerns, a blog's comment sections is where everyone's true colors are revealed.

Such comments have nothing to do with the racial makeup of students who supported the Kick Coke movement.

Such comments have nothing to do with Reed Dunlea or his consumption habits. He simply had a goal and achieved it despite the Vassar administrative bureaucracy. You can do the same thing to overturn this resolution if you so choose.

It comes down to laziness, in my opinion. A simple inability to try to understand this resolution for what it is and applaud your fellow students for sticking to something and achieving it. Where were you when Kick Coke was doing countless taste tests? Where were you when they were holding weekly meetings? Where were you when your representatives and presidents sent you e-mails asking your opinion?

Nobody likes a reactionary. And, as a poster said earlier, hindsight really is 20-20. That said, you missed your opportunities to be represented and to represent your own voice on campus. Do not be upset at those who did not miss this chance. And, also, do not be upset at activist groups (mecha, greens, kick coke, sau). They exist because students in those groups feel as angry as many of you do right now about issues that happen on this campus everyday, issues that are propagated by the ignorance of posters like some of those on these boards.

I personally doubt any letters have been written to President Hill, and even if they have, if they possess such cowardly language as some of the posted example, I hope you sent it from a Vassar e-mail so she can respond appropriately.

Not wanting to continue to rant, I'll continue by saying that the racism on this board is troubling, but even more troubling, in my opinion, is that the posters in question would never even think to say these things in certain classes or to certain students. I know this is a fairly racist campus, filled to the brim with two-faced liberalism. What I didn't know is that this would be exposed by such a small, trivial issue such as Kick Coke.

Drink your coke or don't drink your coke. However, absolutely do not use the passing of this resolution as a foundation for propagating racism. And, even if you choose to show your racist ideals in print, which is your right and privilege on this campus, do not do so anonymously. Let those who feel hurt by your actions and words have the opportunity to address you.

I do believe apologies are in order, though I have little faith that there will be any doled out.

It is only, after all, fair.

If you have any questions comments, or concerns, you'll be able to contact me via my post ID.

And, please remember to vote tomorrow. Make sure your voice is heard in the one election that regardless of which candidate you vote for, really matters.

Anonymous said...

VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT
LOOK IT UP
GET WORKED UP ABOUT THAT, MAYBE?

Anonymous said...

I am not a two-faced liberal, and I oppose this resolution. I am not a racist and will be voting for an African-American for president. I cannot believe that two days before a real election, the VSA is focused on "kicking Coke" when Pepsi is just as bad, and there are more sufficient anti-Union allegations against such campus corporations as FedEx. Liberalism is not forcing your views down other people's throats. I don't like it when Conservatives do it, so I try not to do it myself. We are adults and can make our own decisions. I try to avoid shopping at Wal-Mart, and if I was presented with strong enough evidence to boycott Coca-Cola, I would choose not to drink it on my own.

Anonymous said...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/03/angry.internet/index.html

...seemed appropriate. check it out.

Anonymous said...

"I am not a racist."

Anonymous said...

Fine. You know what, I am also anti-racist. But I still do not support your pet issue.

giganticrobot said...

First of all, Reed Dunlea is a great guy and there should be more people like him making an effort to change things for the better. And since he started the Kick Coke campaign I have actively made an effort to avoid consuming Coca-Cola products. The allegations that the people who worked on the Kick Coke campaign are "radicals" and "communists" is laughable. I can't believe these are the voices of Vassar College I'm hearing. It's really disturbing.

I think the outrage on here is completely disproportional. YOU CAN GO TO STOP N SHOP AND BUY YOURSELF AS MUCH COKE AS YOU WANT. The argument that Vassar supports other questionable corporations so it's hypocritical to kick Coke just doesn't make sense. Doing one good thing is better than doing nothing. Should we conform to supporting all sketchy corporations just so we never end up contradicting ourselves? That's just stupid.

And you all had the opportunity to voice your opinions, whether through emails to your reps or at the VSA meeting last night. Some may claim they were not asked for their opinions by their reps, but all certainly had access to the Misc, which featured an article about Kick Coke. It's your own fault if you're uninformed about what's going on on this campus, not the VSA's.

It saddens me that people are so angry they're going to have to drink Polar soda or buy Coke off-campus that they're saying they don't care about "unionized joes in third-world countries." What's happened to Vassar? I thought social responsibility and a sensitivity to our role in oppression was part of what we're learning here. But maybe I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

GiganticRobot, that's very very very nice that you took your own initiative to avoid Coke products. It really is. In fact, I love you for it.

Guess what the problem is. Kick Coke intends to kick Coke from Vassar's campus. Kick Coke isn't a campaign to raise awareness or to persuade people to make their own choices about what's ethical or not.

Your idea that people will go to Stop n Shop is beyond stupid. So people will drink just as much if not more Coke, because they'll buy it by the 24 packs, except they will also drive to get them, adding carbon emissions to the air and wasting gas.

giganticrobot said...

My point about students' ability to still buy Coke at S&S was in response to the outrage at the VSA "taking away choice." I don't condone driving to S&S to buy Coke, but my point is that you would still have the option to do so should the resolution pass. The "hippie commies" are not taking away your ability to support human rights violations.

And I think Kick Coke does "raise awareness and persuade people to make their own decisions about what's ethical." It was up to the students to voice their decisions about the presence of Coke on campus to their VSA reps, and the VSA made a decision based on ethics and the presented information in addition to the assessed majority opinion. I don't understand this outcry against the VSA at all.

moeyoldbold said...

To 3:10pm - "GiganticRobot, that's very very very nice that you took your own initiative to avoid Coke products. It really is. In fact, I love you for it.

Guess what the problem is. Kick Coke intends to kick Coke from Vassar's campus. Kick Coke isn't a campaign to raise awareness or to persuade people to make their own choices about what's ethical or not.

Your idea that people will go to Stop n Shop is beyond stupid. So people will drink just as much if not more Coke, because they'll buy it by the 24 packs, except they will also drive to get them, adding carbon emissions to the air and wasting gas."

Yes, one way to deal with this issue is to personally boycott Coke products. However, the Kick Coke campaign's goal, as you mentioned, was not to get students to individually decide to boycott Coke products. The reason for this is that the one thing that we all have in common is that we go to Vassar College, a respected liberal arts institution that has a reputation for promoting social responsibility. Which scenario makes a bigger impact: several hundred students agreeing to personally boycott Coke products – something that will never get any media coverage, and will have absolutely no impact on Coca-Cola’s policies - or an elite liberal arts institution like Vassar asserting its consumer choice in order to promote corporate responsibility? I hope the answer is clear, and that maybe you will now understand why this resolution is not intended to force you to make a certain choice, but rather it is intended to take advantage of our unique and privileged positions as students at this college in order to promote sound ethical and environmental practices in corporations around the world.

So if this results in students going to Stop n Shop to buy even more Coke, so be it. That will have absolutely no impact on Coca-Cola’s ethical and environmental policies. But the fact that last night the VSA took into account the opinions it received from its constituencies, and voted in favor of banning the sale of this corporation’s products on our campus will hopefully have a positive effect on the world around us and continue Vassar’s legacy of social responsibility.

singsong said...

i thought vassar had smart kids. the level of debate reads like a 12 year olds ranting myspace. i like 12 year old kids, but their myspaces are ugly.

Anonymous said...

you all spit "radical communist anti-american hippies" at people like it is an unforgivable atrocity to be any of those things.

radical = to the root of an issue.

anti-american: or anti big-government, anti big-corporations, anti-imperialism, anti-fucking-neo-liberalism...

communism = a hell of a lot more humane than capitalism.

sincerely,
a radical, anti u.s.-government, anti-corporation, anti-imperialism/colonialsim, communist-sympathizing pacifist.

Anonymous said...

not everyone in this thread, nor in the other ones, has called anyone a radical communist anti-american.

listen to the arguments of the reasonable people and stop attacking the outliers

Anonymous said...

Their lack of response to that issue shows that they dont really care if the allegations are true or not. They just want Coke gone. Too bad they are not gonna get their way, and too bad they have pissed off a large amount of the campus to the point where people will be intolerant of this ridiculous BS for a long time coming.

Anonymous said...

Yes we are all privileged. We should be nice to each other. A lot of people here aren't being nice. But I don't know why people always seem to come along trying to shut everyone up by saying "let's play nice." If people are upset, they are going to be upset. That does not justify personal attacks, true. BUT, between the nasty comments there are some good points.

Saying it's all just about soda cuts both ways. You can say people are absurd for getting upset about losing soda. Well, you can also say people are absurd for taking the soda off campus.

Let's respect each other, but let's also listen to each other's substantive points.

kevin g said...

2:35, i agree with you, people who are upset should continue to voice their concerns respectfully.

but saying that it is all bout soda does NOT cut both ways. for the kick coke campaign, it's not all about soda. it's not a bunch of health-conscious kids who don't like the taste of coke so they are going to force the rest of campus to stop drinking it. even IF there's no proof, the kick coke campaign is about poor working conditions for people who deserve better and are not able to speak up for themselves. that is not just about soda.

Anonymous said...

All right Kevin, I hear ya. I still think there's an argument to be made that the reaction to kick coke isn't all about soda either. Did you read the comments from people who don't even drink soda of any kind?

Some people don't think poor working conditions of a corporation is cause to take that company's products off a college campus. Poor working conditions, again, that haven't really been well documented. Some people do want that. If you show someone a Washington Post article exposing bad shit going down in a company's plants and a student reads it, sometimes he will voluntarily stop buying that company's products. I do think Vassar people are better than these comments reflect.

Most of those people seem to draw the line when it comes to shutting off a certain company's products to make a statement.

That could be because they don't like those type of statements in general.

That could be because they love Coke and don't think the reasons kick coke has given are good enough for them to walk down the street.

That could be because they do want to defend the freedom of choice.

That could be because they have a different standard of when to boycott a product and don't think one unilateral standard (taking Coke off campus) should be applied.

So I have to disagree with you that it is that lopsided: kick coke is all about saving lives and the anti-kick cokers are all about being lazy and drinking soda. There's some of that yeah but I do not think it's that simple.

Anonymous said...

Stop saying that people who oppose your views are racist and refusing to accept our "white privilege." That's a load of crap.

I don't know what universe some of you live in, but drinking coca-cola (or consuming any other good produced by a corporation) does not make someone racist.

All of you self-righteous sociology majors think that you are sticking it to the man and helping out the little guy, but you are deluding yourselves. You may hate corporations, but it's corporations like Coke that go into poor countries and provide jobs for hundreds or thousands of people.

YOU may dislike these companies, and YOU may want to take them down, but to thousands of poor, non-white people (who you claim to care ever so much about), these companies are essential to their survival. And trying to shut them down so that you can feel good about yourself is, dare I say, racist.

And for the 100th time: no, this is NOT about coke. This is about choice. This is about a group of wannabe social activists who are too lazy to find a cause that actually helps people, and instead chooses to force their moral and ethical beliefs on everyone else.

Anonymous said...

"secondly, i would like to simply point out that this is about soda. SODA."

OK, so if it is only about soda, why has "Kick Coke" spent years obsessing over it?

Anonymous said...

8:31 am

You're speaking sense. Most people are seeing through the kick coke stuff. Any one who disagrees with them are racist or apathetic? Huh?

I don't think it's as simple as Coke is a wonderful corporation because they go into poor countries and make jobs and therefore are a force for good. But there's truth to that.

Problem is, Kick Coke basically says "our interpretation is right. Coke is bad and violates worker's rights and is racist." They go no more into detail than that, except to cite some allegations that some 8 union leaders were murdered sometime years ago.

People are pissed off because this is the brattiest type of behavior. "I'm right! I'm right! You're racist! We're taking away Coke!" Basically whining and screaming and crying until they get their way.

And let me tell you who most non-Vassar people would support. They would not say "It's just SODA!" I think they would first ask, a little incredulously, why a single product, Coke, is being kicked from an entire college campus.

And really, I couldn't tell them.

Anonymous said...

Yeah and people who weren't at the meetings are still making their voices heard. The kick coke shit is going to fail eventually. Deal with it.

Anonymous said...

I'm absolutely appalled at the insensitivity of the commentators regarding this issue. Fine, rise up against Kick Coke. But have some fucking consideration for "minorities" from the "third-world countries" that complain of unionization, because you, sitting here so comfortably in your gated Vassar heaven of 'hipster activists' and 1 million dollar landscaped gardens have NO authority to degrade students from those very same "minorities" who probably live across the hall from you or attend classes with you. What sickens me isn't the Kick Coke campaign. It's how Vassar students are incapable of getting their shit together if they're against it and instead resort to expressing how they don't give a shit about minorities. I never knew Vassar was so racially and politically out of the loop. This isn't the 19th century guys, get out of your antiquated colonial mindset and learn to express your views in a way that doesn't offend a LOT of people who attend Vassar.

Anonymous said...

"and those poor minority hipsters. we wouldn't want to make them feel bad, with all their big words and concern for the poor fucking union workers in the middle of fucking no where. no we need to care about those people apparently. because white americans don't matter, and neither does my opinion on anything."

Wow. Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous said...

balls

Anonymous said...

I was thinking about something smart to say...but honestly, fuck you, fuck you for making an absolute sham of all white Americans. You are a disgrace, a self centered, rascist, disgrace.

Anonymous said...

Warning, Vassar people! You are not allowed to have an opinion unless these people who whine and moan are sure you are not a OMG OMG racist.

Nope, your opinion is then irrelevant or a product of your privilege. Or just wrong wrong wrong.

Kick Coke! Support the workers!

Anonymous said...

You know what's funny? The righteous anti-racists are more verbally abusive than ANYONE. "Fuck you"? Wow, what a nice message. Hypocrites.

Voice of Reason said...

Do people realize that Kicking Coke is the exact opposite of the message we should be sending. A.) Coke has been actually improving its conditions world wide. The UfuckingN reports they have decreased water consumption and increased quality of life for their workers over the past few years.
B.) the appropriate reaction to people and companies who fix things is to punish them (FUCK THAT)
c.) Killer Coke reformed and improved their ways of protesting from their vandalism of the past. We reward them with the resolution, for things they should have done any way, but condem coke for doing the same?
d.) Kick Coke people are self righteous, they convice themselves their cause is worth fighting for, when really all it does it makes them feel like important. I could puke.

Anonymous said...

It's not hypocrisy if the one saying fuck you is part of the so-called minority in the middle of fucking nowhere...

Wouldn't you be offended?

Anonymous said...

As for being righteous, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that something's racist when it so clearly is and angry Vassar students seem to overlook the magnitude of their words.

Alexander the Great said...

When the minority is a group that is intesesly focused on serving their cause it is easy for them to out speak the majority. Many people do not care about this issue and the kick coke people mislead the VSA into thinking that those who do not really care are in favor of kicking it (which is not true.) The government receives a vastly greater number of prolife prostests and letters than pro choice ones. Why? Because the as it is party, pro choice, does not see need to become vocal. It therefore appears to the governing body that there are more pro lifers even though it is just that they are more vocal and vigilant. This correlates to kick coke. The as it is party, keeping coke, is less vocal because it already is the way it should be. The minority party is far more vigilant appearing to be in majority because the obssesivly fill email boxes and post fliers. it is a wonderful example of how any emotional radical group can use guerilla tactics to get what they want.

Anonymous said...

How did a potentially good discourse about the removal of Coca-Cola digress into diatribes against "minorities," environmentalists, and activism in general.

This school is full of hypocrites-- you celebrate the election of Barack "omg-I-can't-be-racist-I-voted-for-him" Obama who ran on a campaign of change and progress, yet when change and progress that align us with laborers and denizens throughout the world (who asked for college students to stand in solidarity with them) happens people start whining.

You give up a soda, and people around the world gain leverage in enacting positive change in their lives. You don't even have to lift a finger to help them. You all deserved McCain.

jessica said...

4:19 I AGREE.

Anonymous said...

4:19 is completely right. I'm a freshman and I wanted to go to Vassar since my older sister started looking at colleges. I must have been pretty naive to think that this school was the liberal, activist place that I perceived it as. I can't believe people are being so little-minded and selfish. This is completely disgusting. I really hope that the "kick kick coke people" are not representative of the majority of the campus.

Anonymous said...

alexander th e great, a few posts up is exactly right.

i find it hilarious that the kick coke people and their defenders are fine, as long as you agree with them. Yes, we should support human rights and kick it to the corporations and so on and so forth. but if you DONT agree with them, they short circuit and cannot function. They cannot accept the fact that people disagree with them.

The "kick kick coke people" are reacting to that.

The kick coke people seemto be against hegemony, but the thing is, they are some of the most hegemonic of all. They simply cannot deal with the fact that not everyone understands, cares, or agrees with them. That is why they are mocked on threads like this. Because it is very childish. 4 year olds can't deal with people who don't agree with their view of the world either, but we are not 4.

Not_An_Econ_Major said...

"Yeah and people who weren't at the meetings are still making their voices heard."

Yes, because MADS Vassar has so much more legitimacy than the VSA council. Brilliant strategy on the part of the pro-coke people to entirely ignore the VSA council, and only wait until after the decision to make any sort of complaint.

You say you have a majority,but whether you do or don't, it doesn't make a difference if you can't be bothered to actually articulate it through legitimate pathways.

If most people supported John McCain, but didn't bother to make to the polls, does that mean John McCain somehow "won" the election because he had the support of the majority? Wrap your head around that one, and let me know what you think.

I somehow doubt, at any rate, that you have "the majority" of Vassar College on your side. I think the majority is probably ambivalent on this issue and don't care one way or the other. (The e-mail banter going back and forth among the senior class seemed to suggest this... after a certain point, most people simply wanted to stop being spammed.)

Anonymous said...

Alexander the Great- this analagy does not hold up. If every member of Congress directly contacted every member of their constituency and said "hey, we are voting this week on whether or not to get rid of abotrion rights, so let me know how you feel and I will base my vote on the responses I get," I am pretty sure that pro-choice people would give some feedback.

Anonymous said...

http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1168702253-1166889894407023.jpg

Anonymous said...

maybe we could just send the kick coke people overseas to colombia or wherever.. we could put some money in a pot and use it to buy them all plane tickets the fuck out of here

they care so much about the workers, why not put them in the factories to help first hand?

Anonymous said...

This is ridiculous. Student organizations on both sides of this issue have been using incendiary dialogue to support their position. We should work together as a community to figure issues like these out instead of biting each other's head's off anonymously online and having beverage wars in the college center. Why can't we have some kind of an open forum to talk about this issue with BALANCED arguments and information rather than all of this bickering? It's depressing that we students become so antagonistic over the sale of carbonated beverages. If we as a community of educated young adults are unable to resolve an issue as trivial as the sale of carbonated beverages without all this silly fighting and name calling, how will we ever get anything done?