November 6, 2008

California Readers: Sign Against H8!!


While absentee and provisional ballots are still being disputed, it's pretty certain that California's Proposition 8 has passed.

Mads is urging you to sign THIS PETITION to re-open Prop 8. Only signatures from California will be counted. BUT IF YOU'RE FROM CALIFORNIA (which has the second largest population of Vassar students) SIGN THIS PETITION!

It's already got 182,392 signatures!

This is a historic election that has proved how America really is the land of equality. Now let's make that equality FOR ALL.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

thanks mads!

Anonymous said...

I believe in LBGTQ equality, but I also believe in democracy. Maybe in another two years, after the country has been under more liberal influence, this can be put back on the ballot. But this was, for better or worse, a case of democracy in action. We don't have to agree with the majority, but we do have to honor its decision.

Anonymous said...

Yes, but you're forgetting that if it had been put to a vote, legal racial segregation wouldn't have ended when it did. We have the Supreme Court in place to safeguard against the majority oppressing the minority. I don't think it should be in anybody's hands to decide whether two people who love each other can get married, whether or not the majority of people disagree.

Anonymous said...

while i admire and respect such reverence for democracy, i think you're forgetting that democracy extends beyond the ballot. if the majority wants to reopen prop 8, than the state needs to listen.

Anonymous said...

*then

dammit.

reopen prop 8!

Anonymous said...

10:21, you're wrong - legal racial segregation was accepted by only about 40 percent of the country when it was outlawed, according to my history professor.

Prop 8 is horrible, but in a democracy, the majority can dictate whatever it wants into law, so long as it does not interfere with a constitutional right. marriage ain't protected, or even mentioned, in the constitution. once a majority says that gay marriage should be legal, then and only then should it be legal. California activists should now turn their attention to changing minds. until it goes back on the ballot and CA residents make a different choice, gay couples will have to practice civil unions.

Anonymous said...

There can be no democracy if there is not equality. Voting to deny civil rights to your fellow citizens is a bastardization of democracy. It's mob rule on paper.

Anonymous said...

what's so democratic about all the out-of-state funds used to push nothing but hate ads to confuse, blind, and brainwash people into thinking prop 8 was something that it wasn't?
just look up the yes on 8 ads on youtube for a good laugh. well, at least it would be funny if people didn't believe such garbage.

Anonymous said...

"what's so democratic about all the out-of-state funds used to push nothing but hate ads to confuse, blind, and brainwash people into thinking prop 8 was something that it wasn't? "

what's so democratic about barack obama turning down public financing to inject millions and millions of dollars into negative campaign ads against john mccain?

i mean, i voted for obama and love him. i'm a bleeding heart liberal. but don't you think this argument is a little hypocritical? majority rules in this country, with the sad exception of the electoral college.

Anonymous said...

i don't think it's hypocritical; you're right, both of those things weren't particularly democratic. i see no distinction from the point i'm trying to make which is if something was unfair to begin with, then i have no problem in trying to reverse it.

note: there is no logical conclusion for anyone to draw here about obama's presidency being petitioned. i forbid it.

Anonymous said...

let's not drag this on any longer. sign or don't sign, that's all. no one will know if you do or don't.

Anonymous said...

but it's only unfair in *your* opinion, not in the majority of people's opinion.

the majority in CA thought that it was fair not to extend marriage to gay people.

Anonymous said...

10:30

There is also nothing in the constitution about abortion. And all kinds of other stuff that is considered a right. That's what the courts decide.

I'm kind of tired of this "They voted, now shut up if you disagree" stuff.

Anonymous said...

No one is saying that.

Anonymous said...

11:51- you're right, there is nothing about abortion in the Constitution. Roe v. Wade 'legalized' abortion based on an interpretation of the Constitution regarding privacy.

Anonymous said...

seriously, don't judge people for fighting a fight they think is right. it's not like it's wasting any of your time.

and i signed the petition. it's at 243,330 now!

Anonymous said...

the petition appears to be closed to new signatures.