November 8, 2008

MICA To Supply Coke


To encourage debate on the Kick Coke campaign, Vassar's Moderate Independent Conservative Alliance (MICA) will be giving out free Coca-Cola on Monday and Tuesday in the College Center.

They have also started a "Keep Coke" campaign and are circulating a petition.

Click here to see the petition and find out more on how to get your free Coke.

110 comments:

Anonymous said...

aren't you guys tired of the Coke drama? I am...

Anonymous said...

lol, mica WOULD do this.

have your drinks at the expense of lives.

Anonymous said...

ugh. they're beating a dead horse.

Anonymous said...

This is hysterical! they're making an excellent point about how trivial kick coke is.

Anonymous said...

YESSS! I've talked to a few people about continuing doing this after MICA is done. I might have a connection for some sweet discounts. We're going to keep going until Kick Coke is dead.

Anonymous said...

maybe we could just send the kick coke people overseas to colombia or wherever

they care so much about the workers, why not put them in the factories to help first hand?

Anonymous said...

Jeremy Bright is a nuisance.

Anonymous said...

this is disrespectful

Anonymous said...

maybe more people will spit in their faces.

or spit coke in their faces

Anonymous said...

i agree, i think this is really petty and disrespectful.

Anonymous said...

how is it disrespectful? check out the actual group. its for discussion, to help spread information, and while you may think it will be biased at least it is discussion. The petition is something many people have expressed interest in. Give them a break, go get some coke and listen.

Anonymous said...

I love how everyone is "tired of the Coke drama" or find this "disrespectful" simply because this is MICA responding as a group. Considering there are 350+ people on campus who signed a petition last week complaining that the VSA kicked Coke on undemocratic terms, and asked for VSA reps to publically apologize or RESIGN (!?!?!), I thought most people would be in support of MICA's campaign. Read their statement:

1) OVERTURN its Resolution on the Sale of Coca-Cola on Campus, adopted on Sunday, November 2, 2008;

2) ORGANIZE, in conjunction with the Kick Coke and Keep Coke Campaigns, an open forum to discuss the facts of Kick Coke’s allegations and the implications of removing Coca-Cola products from campus;

3) REQUIRE a referendum in support of removing Coca-Cola products from campus before reconsidering the Resolution on the Sale of Coca-Cola on Campus.

Wow! It's calling for the same things most of you on Mads have been bitching about all week! Who the fuck do they think they are???

Give MICA a break. It's not like this is just a "fuck you" to kick Coke - they have legitimate arguments to "keep Coke," which extend beyond the role of the VSA. Listen to some of them before you judge.

Anonymous said...

what gross shitheads

Anonymous said...

KICK MICA!

Anonymous said...

maybe mica isn't as bad as i thought, yay for coke

Anonymous said...

AWESOME finally, MICA is doing something great!

Anonymous said...

Congrats to MICA for organizing this event in protest of the unfair, ridiculous, radical resolution passed by the VSA and encouraged by reed dunlea and his cronies.

but lets make sure to remember that this isn't just a conservative issue; we don't want to make this into a liberal vs. conservative issue, because then we would lose. there are more liberals on campus. we need to make it clear that this is an issue of representation, accuracy, and making statements.

kick coke's facts are shaky at best, and i think that is the cornerstone of this argument. they basically pick evidence to match their claims, and write off all other evidence as being somehow biased.

anyway, let's all join together behind this movement to return common sense to vassar's student government.

Anonymous said...

YEAH!!! stick it to 'em, mica. you should buy thousands of cokes so that those assholes who hate capitalism will feel even more worthless than they must feel already (since basically everyone thinks that they're in the wrong on this kicking coke business).

Anonymous said...

this is a human rights violation. to me, it is sad how sheltered vassar students are-- that they would prefer people dying so that they can have their soft drink.

Anonymous said...

human rights violations aren't my problem. i like my coke and it's none of your damn business, 10:44.

Anonymous said...

that... is absolutely hilarious.

Anonymous said...

once again, mica fulfills its tried and true roll as the laughing stalk of this college. will you be passing out copies of your famous newletter the imperialist? will you be whining about how hard it is having the privilege of attending a private liberal arts shcool, where the meany liberals just don't give you a chance?

Anonymous said...

12:26, stfu. this whole "white privilege makes you a bad person" crap gets really old. mica is performing a service by allowing for public discussion of a school-wide policy --- public discussion in a way that neither Kick Coke nor the VSA allowed for. so as far as i'm concerned, liberal or conservative, mica is doing Vassar a service.

Anonymous said...

so-called "liberals," do you not realize the fact that bashing conservatives or non-liberal does not really fit the description of being "liberal"? i'm neither liberal nor conservative, nor a member of mica, but seriously put some sense into your head, at least before you claim to be liberal

Anonymous said...

Personally, I believe Kick Coke is ridiculous, but secondly, this act is to promote discussion and I fully intend on listening to different perspectives even though I'm fairly steadfast in my own opinion. AND just to throw it out there, I don't think anyone is arguing that there hasn't been a human rights violation, it is just absolutely insane to assume that my drinking Coca-Cola is resulting in the death of anyone or that removing Coke from campus will have ANY benefit AT ALL to stopping those human rights violations.

Anonymous said...

i thank mica for taking up the mantle of creating a public opposition to the insane Kick Coke movement. but i urge students to remember that this is not purely a conservative issue. liberal people, too, should remember that the Kick campaign has many factual problems.

should we just go around banning companies based on baseless allegations? should the vsa council be passing statements that claim to speak for all students, when in fact they speak for a vocal minority? of course not.

so let's not make this a liberal vs. conservative thing. i think we can all agree that the leaders of the Kick Coke campaign are annoying radicals who do not speak for the student body.

Anonymous said...

ok-so I understand why they're doing this. I actually agree with their general goals, and I think its always necessary for a counter argument to be heard.

However, by saying "have a refreshing coke on mica" is completely undermining what the kick coke campaign stands for and believes in. Its so disrespectful to say, your ideals are meaningless, and we are going to blatantly and obnoxiously spit on them. Hell, for a group complaining of a lack of respect on campus, its an incredibly childish thing to dol

Anonymous said...

I take your point that it's poking fun at the kick coke campaign but I don't think it's comparable with spitting on people. I also don't think it's attacking their values, I don't think giving out cokes means you are saying that human rights are meaningless. Hopefully both groups agree that they're important the question is does Coke (today) represent an affront to them? And furthermore is kicking coke from campus the right way to proceed if that is indeed true?

Anonymous said...

this is an extremely respectful way of going about this. to their immense credit, mica is respectfully satirizing the insanity of the kick coke campaign, without making fun of the people themselves.

kudos mica! you're doing really well this year in terms of generating campus discussion. and on this issue, i am fully with you! Keep Coke!!!

Anonymous said...

Personally, I thought I was for kicking coke and Pepsi because I just want to see more local vendors. Coke and Pepsi make enough money off other colleges, you know the BIG ones! I feel as a small liberal arts school we can more easily support local vendors...

but I like free things far too much to pass up free coke!

Anonymous said...

poughkeepsie-produced soda sounds absolutely disgusting. why abandon good soda for that?

Anonymous said...

It does sound disgusting, I agree...but have you tried any? Last year the kick coke people supplied alternatives for a taste test. yes some of them were HORRIBLE, but some of them were as good, if not better. Which is what happens when sugar is used over high fructose corn syrup (which is also how they make coke and Mexico and it's soo much better.)

Anonymous said...

I'm all for MICA opening up discussion about Kick Coke, but I find the fact that they are handing out free coke kind of offensive to the Kick Coke people. They are working hard towards something that they care about and they should be respected for that.

Anonymous said...

i tried all those local soda last year, and none of them were good. certainly, none of them were better then coke. i don't get what the point is of kicking coke. why not just bring some alternatives on campus and let people buy whatever they want?

Anonymous said...

let's drown those kick coke hippies with all the (awesome) free soda we get from mica.

Anonymous said...

Kudos, MICA. I'm so excited to see this in the College Center, and I will gladly sign a petition.

Anonymous said...

MICA: pomoting hate speech on campus since 2006

Anonymous said...

I am disturbed and scared by the fact that people are so happy about promoting animosity and conflict on this supposedly liberal campus. I wasn't for Kick Coke, and I think MICA's idea of having discussions is good. I also think if the majority of the campus wants to kick Kick Coke, so it will have to be and so it should be. But to show such hatred for fellow students ("those assholes who hate capitalism"), and rampant apathy for "those people in Columbia" doesn't become you well, Vassar kids. It is not that I argue with you on the facts being shaky. Just the fact that some would say something on the lines of, "I don't care what happens in Columbia, I only care what happens at Vassar" is infantile ego-centrism. I'm glad that Kick Coke has brought out the true ugly on this campus. We had boredat last year, and now we have Kick Coke this year. What a lovely bunch of "happy communal students"!

Anonymous said...

I meant Colombia, and not Columbia. Don't hate on me for that.

Anonymous said...

mica is NOT promoting hate speech. why would you say that? they're promoting discussion about the absolute embarrassment that is the Kick Coke campaign (and the stunning failure of democracy tat is the VSA resolution supporting it).

Anonymous said...

word 2:52!!!

Anonymous said...

the xenophoblic column in the misc a few weeks ago by the preident of MICA was most certainly hate speech. "since 2006" is referring to when MICA's publication was stripped of its funding by the VSA for saying that "the minorities of Vassar are confining themselves to the ghettos of the ALANA center and Blegen House," or something to that effect. MICA as an org has a long history of saying blatanlty offensive things around campus for the sheer sake of riling up Vassar "liberals." The Moderate Independent Conservative Alliance, whose name itself is hilarious, somehow manages to be even more intolerant and offensive than Vassar "liberals" who won't even listen to you the second you say the word Bush or Republican

Anonymous said...

I wish more students here cared about something larger than themselves.

Anonymous said...

3:25, i believe you are just as intolerant as the people you describe. the mica of today is not the same as the mica of 2006. in fact, none of the students who wrote for the Imperialist are still students at Vassar. How can you blame a collection of conservative students today for the actions of an entirely different collection of entirely different students nearly 3 years ago?

Anonymous said...

Cheers to MICA!
Jeers to Kick Coke!

Anonymous said...

4:02, I was not talking about MICA, They are interested in the promotion of certain values, unlike the majority of the student body who simply buys into the same values while simultaneously (and ironically) discrediting MICA.

Anonymous said...

yeah, how can you blame an organization of conservative students for past actions of the same organization?!

Anonymous said...

that came off sarcastically, but i meant it seriously. how can you blame a conservative group for taking perfectly legitimate actions of protest? and also bitch them out for something totally unrelated that students did 3 years ago?

that is what we mean when we say "politically inclusive." don't shut people down just because they identify as conservative.

Anonymous said...

while others might not listen to MICA because they call themselves conservative (and moderate, and independent), which is ridiculous and narrow-minded, others might not listen to them because their organization advocates for the exclusion of immigrants vassar's campus, and has publicly ridiculed minorities at Vassar for not always wanting to hang with all the white kids

Anonymous said...

if MICA doesnt want to be associated with itself, it should change its name.

Anonymous said...

hey. sorry. mr. bright's not-so-bright opinions column about undocumented students really did it for me. what a load of bigotry.

Stephen said...

As a member of MICA, I think it's important to point out the columns written by the president of the organization in his column in the Misc are his own and DO NOT represent the views of the organization. Of course, members may be more sympathetic to his views than others on this campus, but it very unfair to characterize them as the views of the organization.

Anonymous said...

sorry-sorry. it's just that he's one of the admins of the thing on facebook.

Anonymous said...

sorry-sorry. it's just that he's one of the admins of the thing on facebook.

Anonymous said...

well, he is the President of the org, which it says in his by line in the Misc, so i think its pretty fair to say that the opinions expressed by the president of an org in a campus-wide newspaper are representative of the org itself. if MICA wants to dissassociate itself from the public rantings of its president, then he should at the very least put a disclaimer on his column. but either way, he is still the president of MICA and waht he writes in a public forum will always be a representation of his organization

Anonymous said...

AGREED.

Anonymous said...

I agreed with most of Jeremys column... I guess I'm just a racist elitist person whose only purpose is to be shouted down by protestors.

A Racist said...

I guess anybody who thinks differently than the overwhelming homegenous minority is a racist then?
You are all right, any group that is "Moderate" and "Independant" is inherantly evil and racist. I wonder how many time we can find new ways to call people who aren't socialist racist. Cocacola is a corporation, and racist. Pepsi I bet is also racist, we shouldn't drink that any more. I also be that Apple violates human rights, we should ban them too, they are so racist. John McCain fought in a war against North Vietnam, he is totally racist, he hates north vietnamese people. In fact SUVs release too much carbon emmissions, any one who drives one of those is also racist, we should kick them off campus too. I forgot Ron Paul, he was republican right? He is such a racist I mean look at him! I think that discourse on the kick coke issue is a good thing, and MICA is a legitimate organization who has genuinly good people, I guess I am racist. I fucking hate all of you jackasses 9:54 10:27 11:42 11:42 11:42 (how are you even allowed at this school!?) 12:04 1:51 12:26 2:51!!!! 5:53. Congratulations guys, you are a shining beacon of our nations future. None of you deserve admission here, you ruin the intellectual experiance for everybody who actually can think beyond hate. I am frightened that you guys go to the same school as me and share classes with good people. This you can go on record is hate speech. It is hate speech against ignorance, bigotry, hypocrisy, and overall insincerity for others around you. God bless our nations future, we certainly need it.

Anonymous said...

Dude, you're a racist if racial minorities or white people at schools like Vassar SAY you are. Get it straight

Anonymous said...

i love how everyone in these threads whine about being called racist, and ignore the fact that on the big bad internet where everyone can say all the bullshit to each otehr that they would never have the balls to say in real life, some people DID say some really racist things- like someone sneding an email to half of the senior class telling a minority student taht he was an Islamic militant who should suicide bomb himself because he supported the Kick Coke campaign. nobody is saying that if you drink Coke you are a racist (not to suggest that you arent- who the fuck knows?). people have however brought up that responding to this campaign with racist and hateful accusations will not go unnoticed, and that some underlying realities at Vassar have been brought to the surface in the past week or so, like they tend to do from time to time (like when MICA published some racist and demeaning shit a couple of years ago, and the whole campus was forced to acknowledge the incident, and the ideas behind it). so stop whining, nobody called you a racist because all of these threads are anonymous anyways. you should however realize that by having the means to attend this college, one of the most expensive schools in the richest country in the world, you are automatically one of the most privliged people in the entire world. so dont complain about how bad youve all got it, and how your "freedoms" are being taken away. waaaaahhhhhhh.

Anonymous said...

1:22 you are an idiot. Please think before posting. Your comment had nothing important to say except that you are not calling people racist all of the time only some time. You are right there are some harmful realities being brought up. The fact that this campus is overrun with ideological intolerance, this thread and you are a perfect example of this. Also the article two years ago was written and published in a publication that no longer exists and written by a student who no longer goes here. not one member of the org from that year is still a member of the org today. I thought we try to congratulate people and groups who correct their mistakes as mica has with this and other contributions to campus in the very recent past proved that they are indeed an org that deserves no such blind bigotry. You are a bigot. I am calling you that. YOU 1:22 are a BIGOT. Also I would like to see the email you speak of, the whole thing. If it is really true what you say (I dont necessarily think it is) than this is indeed a travesty that should not go unnoticed or unpunished here. I somehow think though that your are incredibly thick headed and a too much a coward to ever do that because you know that it would show that you take things out of context to suit your self righteous needs. Do you feel any better about yourself? Vassar needs to change the face of its on campus politics in a big way and you along with 90% of the rest of the school can not see why that is a big deal.

Anonymous said...

1:22 also being it is extremely inconsiderate of you to call of the people who go to this school privledged. There are countless students on very large financial aid packages, myself included. I certainly know my family is struggling to pay the tuition despite vassars generous contributions. Even if that is not considered being privledged and having civil rights like freedom of choice have nothing to do with one another. The ability to choose what products we can buy is what fuels a capitalist economy and one of our fundamental rights. It wont be long before we only can buy Vassar Cola, Vassar Laptops, Vassar Pillows, Vassar Blankets, invest our money in Vassar Bank, and use Vassar brand deodorant. When you eliminate choice you create a slippery slope that is dangerous. It potentially de-rails the system and could change our institution into a sort of sudo socialist communist center where the school or company selling goods can charge whatever they want because we voted to eliminate all other options based on unconfirmed assumptions. I know that is unlikely but the principals of freedom of choice depend on us not passing this bill. MICA does something that is good, generate discussion and people are just down right intolerant. They associate the group with racism and hatred when they have done nothing to deserve such accusations. Kick coke was based on violence and scare tactics in the past but cleaned up and that is a good thing, MICA deserves the same second chance. Unfrotunately we live in a bubble where second chances for non liberals does not exist. I am leaving this school because of the intolerance, it effects people in very real ways. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Anonymous said...

What has this degenerated into?
Vassar. Please wake up. Reread some of the things each of you have written. People on both sides are at fault, and we as a campus need to find a way through which we can reconcile the dual identities we seem to live with. What we do, and claim to believe in seems at odds with what we as a campus really believe as far as posts here go.

And to everyone out there singing the glories and praises of capitalism and the invisible hand, please, just oh please, wake up, smell the coffee and look at the front page of a newspaper (that is not published or endorsed by MICA). Sorry kids, your dreams of wall street financial capitalism are kinda over. oops. GO CAPITALISM! (right?)

Anonymous said...

slippery slope! slippery slope! slippery slippery slippery slope!1

Anonymous said...

p.s. that above post is the full email, minus the name of the person it is addressed to

Anonymous said...

11:04 now print the entire thread leading up to this

Anonymous said...

This is not a MICA issue, they are sponsoring it only. We should take it as a campus issue instead.

Anonymous said...

This is not a MICA issue, they are sponsoring it only. We should take it as a campus issue instead.

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty embarrassed by things being said on both sides of the issue. Allowing ourselves to become polarized over this issue isn't going to make anybody's life better. Maybe we should all just calm down, stop assuming we know better than everyone else, and try to show a little more respect.

Anonymous said...

in this discussion it does not matter what the thread was leading up to this. responding to a discussion about a campus campaign with blatantly violent and racist accusations is not acceptable, no matter how much this person disagreed with the points being made. 11:04, if the 2 emails that came before this one were posted, and you disagreed with one of them, would that mean you would support these statements that someone on campus should kill themself because of their political opinions? I don't see your logic in asking for the entire thread. somebody asked a couple of posts up for the email, so there it is.

Anonymous said...

How is the email thread related to kicking coke again?

Anonymous said...

it was a thread sent to half of the senior class from an anonymous email account under the name James Madison. the initial email was a response to the VSA resolution. it was sent to half of the senior class, something like k-z, the names were taken from an email sent by the yearbook committee. many responses ensued, flooding people's inboxes for a couple of days. the above email was the third email sent.

Todd Densen 2012 said...

Wait, but the email doesn't talk about kick coke at all. I mean not even a little bit. I am very confused. It seems that also anytime there is a thread about something, it seems to divert into hate speech on things that are not relevant. This syndrome probably took place in the irrelevant email too. I can not say I agree with what is said in it, but I also just don't think it matters. I also hate how no one posts with there name.

Toaster said...

Mads,
Please eliminate the anonymous option. it causes people to sound like idiots without repercussions. There is no harm in requiring a name or google/blogger login.

Todd Densen 2012 said...

Oops, forgot I use an alias in my gmail name.

Anonymous said...

todd densen 2012- you are right, it does not talk about kick coke. some peole have chosen to respond to the kick coke campaign by putting people and groups of people down rather than talking about the actual issue. some people who support the campaign have pointed out the problems with this. some people have responded to people pointng to these problems by saying "what, so if I drink Coke I am racist?" which nobody ever said in the first place.

and then there's MICA. who always complain about how hard it is being a vassar student. and have consistently printed things that make people feel unwelcome at this school. whether it was bashing minority students 2 years ago, or whether it is bashing potential undocumented students this year. (b.t.dubs the administration just approved the undocumented students policy)

Todd Densen 2012 said...

I do not think MICA makes students feel unwelcome. If anything it is the constant berate of accusations and hate speech against a more moderate group of students that is alienating. The org has never taken a stance on the undocumented students policy or released literature on it officially. The opinions printed in the Misc represent the writer of the article. While I do agree with many of the points Mr. Bright made that does not mean that MICA supports them or that it is even related to Kick Coke or Keep Coke. I am a proponent of approaching situations on an issue by issue basis. On this issue there is no politics involved it is about whether vassar students want to vote themselves on legislating morality or giving that power to the VSA. I do not give the VSA permission to make my moral decision. That is what the debate should be about, not the history of MICA or articles in the MISC by individuals. Let us evaluate this with political preference out the door. Let us for once as a college view something as it effects us, not how politics dictate. I value both Kick Coke and MICA's efforts to give out information on an issue that clearly has facts that are debatable from both sides. We should, as a college, not as political group, decide how we should deal with this problem. I believe personally we need more time to facilitate actual student run forums that are outside of the VSA. Since this is a moral issue it is up to everybody individually to vote, not a group that is suppossed to legislate on campus social issues. Again please people, use your name it is sad we live in fear of what others will think of our opinions.

Anonymous said...

Todd, keep talking sense, but the thing is, these kids will never really listen to you because they think you're just infected with upper class ideology or white privilege or male privilege or whatever the hell the newest academic term is. If you agree with Jeremy's article on undocumented students, you're clearly just a meanie elitist who wants to limit education (hmm, maybe education SHOULD be limited, or HAS TO be? wow, how racist man, how racist)... Point is, at this school, you're in the minority and these people are not going to listen to you, a priviledged male. It's utterly fucking ridiculous, and it produced Kick Coke, but here we are.

Todd Densen 2012 said...

Anonymous, I guess that is everyone, POST NAMES PLEASE!Do not be ashamed! People do not realize how many students here are effected by economic hardship. I am personally on a fair amount of financial aid, which without would limit my ability to attend this institution. It is a shame that everybody thinks that conservatism and being pro choice in a a consumer market is linked with being privileged and upper class. We are all privileged to be educated here, but not all of us have the same economic means. That is the wonderful thing about diversity. It is unfortunate that people will assume things to be true based on a belief system which is rooted in theory and fundamentals not economic standing. Additionally a lot of students here to have the great honor and advantage of being economically stable and well off. It it not right to relate that to being racist or anything evil. Many people work hard their whole lives to achieve the wealth they have and deserve every penny of it. it is radical to say that they are "evil" or "blinded by privileged.

Anonymous said...

but ur white

Todd Densen 2012 said...

Oh shit, your right I am racist and privileged. Just when I thought i had covered all the bases too.

Anonymous said...

I told you Todd...Just wait for the waaaambulance to come chime in. "People need to acknowledge the racism of the white privilege the racism the institutional sctructural support of the Coke waahhhh!"

They won't listen to anything sensible to what you have to say. Sorry, but they won't.

Anonymous said...

The advertising they are using for coke is quite sexists and all of the people are white...

Sorry MICA, we are not going back to a time when everyone is white and women's bodies are there for your consumtion.

Things are changing. People of color exist. And women's bodies are no longer for consumption. Oh and people are starting to realize that human lives are more important that corporation which only benifit the rich--usually white men.

Anonymous said...

so did MICA buy all of these Cokes on campus or off campus?

Anonymous said...

8:27, OMG stop taking yourself so seriously. mica's ads were just ads from Coca Cola. it was cute, chill out.

are we going to suddenly add gender into the totally irrelevant arguments used by each side of the campaign? (in addition to race and class). all of these categories HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH KEEPING OR KICKING COKE. why can't we stop talking about these discussion-stopping issues and start talking about the facts of the case: has coke really committed the actions that the kick campaign has accused them of?

Anonymous said...

12:48

"so-called "liberals," do you not realize the fact that bashing conservatives or non-liberal does not really fit the description of being "liberal"? i'm neither liberal nor conservative, nor a member of mica, but seriously put some sense into your head, at least before you claim to be liberal"

SINCE WHEN HAVE LIBERALS CLAIMED TO BE "OPEN-MINDED"?

If being open-minded means accepting racist, classist and hateful speech, then I'm glad I'm not open-minded.

What the F is a liberal, anyway??

Anonymous said...

These discourses are getting real old real fast. I supported kick coke, without ever being a kick coke member because I assumed their campaign was common sense. You claim that all activists on campus don't worry about bigger issues, but we do-- it's just we can't ever talk about them because ridiculous shit like this happens. I want to talk about other issues on campus and the world, but we can't get there because people can't fucking give up a soda. How are we going to tackle "bigger" issues when this is what happens over what should be an easy and simple campaign?

Anonymous said...

we shall overcome
we shall overcome
we shall overcome some day

we will all be free
we will all be free
we will all be free some day

Anonymous said...

oh deep in my heart
i do believe
we shall overcome some day

todd densen 2012 said...

2:20, the attacks on activism are wrong first off. Secondly though the problem here is not with Kick Coke, although I think there were better ways to go about it that straight to VSA, but rather with the use of VSA power to decide what the student body wants. Activism for a good cause is great, the problem is when people feel that activism is hindering their fundamental rights. You choose to believe kick coke and that the allegations brought against coke are true, and that is fine. I do not know what to think, I am not sure whether they are true or aren't. It is because of this doubt that I want to keep coke, because when the issue calls for removing a choice that is fundamental to capitalism and classic American values, I don't think speculation is ever enough to deny that. Additionally, I believe each individual can determine if they choose to buy coke on their own. I actually will not choose coke if i have the option. I encourage everyone to use their head and their hearts when purchasing consumer goods, but you need that right to be able to use you head and heart to how YOU see fit, not how the VSA or VASSAR does.

Anonymous said...

how is Vassar college selling one specific corporation's products on campus a fundamental right? I think this backlash against the Kick Coke campaign has shown how ingrained comemercialism and advertising is in our society. how did buying a specific company's soda, at a specific college turn into a fundamental right? I cant understand why buying Coca-Cola on Vassar's campus should be considered the same as freedom of speech, freedom of association, etc. buying Coke is not a fundamental right.

Anonymous said...

"capitalism and classic American values"

Who decided that capitalism and "classic American values" were the way for us to guide our lives? Think about it. I think that's where we can disagree. I do not see capitalism and "classic American values" as givens.

(Please define these for me.)

Anonymous said...

classic American values: get rich or die (and kill) trying

Anonymous said...

todd, thanks a lot for deciding what my values should be for me. it's no wonder you have my best interest in mind. thanks!

Anonymous said...

still havent gotten an answer to the most important question of this thread: where did MICA buy all these Cokes? and a follow-up, how much of their budget did they blow on it?

Anonymous said...

MICA members purchased the Cokes out of pocket. they're using the free market against socialist assholes like Reed Dunlea who think they have the power to force their ethics onto the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

MICA members who wanted to chipped in and we bought them at Stop & Shop. WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

the only person in real life who is posting- Todd said...

I am not telling anybody what their values should be. I am stating what classic american values are. If you do not have those same values then you are entitled to that opinion, however I also believe that there many common values that matter to most people. Most people, in our nation and I would think in our school believe that they should have a right to choose what they wish to buy. Don't you see that is the point of this debate, if it is indeed true that the majority of this school does not value that, then in a referendum, which is the entire goal of the keep coke campaign, you would show that, and coke would be eliminated anyways. Additionally, the beauty of free market is that if nobody purchased coke, no body would sell coke. If the kick coke arguments are compelling enough to make students choose not to buy coke then it will kick itself because it is no longer profitable. That is our power as citizens to combat things that we believe are social injustice. We need to use our powers as citizens, to do this because it creates the most convincing arguments. PS You are all cowards, Am I the only one here willing to be accountable for their own beliefs. You all click anonymous for fear of being ridiculed or proven wrong in a debate with no right or wrong answer? Come out from behind your curtain, if you truly believe what you say there is no reason to hide your names. When anonymous posting is allowed to continue is when we see people say outrageous, harmful, and hateful things.

Anonymous said...

beauty of free market lol (we are in a recession, it has not been beatufil for many people)

Anonymous said...

so what you are saying is MICA members chose to not buy Coke on campus?!

Anonymous said...

KEEP VASSAR WEIRD

Anonymous said...

Vassar doesn't sell 12 packs of coke, genius. And again, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

Anonymous said...

LOL, 10:28

Anonymous said...

Father is giving me the googly eye.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know why there was a Coca-Cola van parked in front of Main on Monday morning? Maybe it had already delivered a shipment, but when I saw it around 8:30 it was parked against the bushes and there was no one inside. Perhaps Ray Parker had another little meeting with some Coke execs?

Anonymous said...

most people have no choice what to buy in this "free market." If your poor, you have to buy the cheapest products-often either name brand or store brand. That means less money goes to local foods and products, which means the bigger brands get bigger, and the cycle is perpetuated.

Anonymous said...

10:56 i think it is you who are the genius. so are you saying that MICA chose to not buy coke on campus?

Anonymous said...

Haha, 2:16 you are lame.

Yes, I am saying that MICA chose not to buy coke on campus because MICA wanted to hand out cans of coke and Vassar does not sell 12 pack cans of coke, therefore we had to go to the grocery store where they do sell 12 pack cans of coke.

I know this is incredibly difficult for you to understand, so maybe you should have your mommy read it over and explain it to you.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, I am saying that MICA chose not to buy coke on campus"

chalk one up for the home team

Anonymous said...

"I know this is incredibly difficult for you to understand, so maybe you should have your mommy read it over and explain it to you."

Comments like this are immature and snide. I realize that my very saying this only fuels the 'anti-PC' bandwagon, which in turn makes me come across as a whiny student who can't take a joke. But c'mon, why bother stooping to insults that haven't been used since middle school?